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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	LSM List <linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris@namei.org>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>, kernel-team <kernel-team@fb.com>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next] bpf, capabilities: introduce CAP_BPF
Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 18:12:59 -0700
Message-ID: <A95DA1BC-E2A1-4CC3-B17F-36C494FB7540@amacapital.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190827204433.3af91faf@gandalf.local.home>



> On Aug 27, 2019, at 5:44 PM, Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 16:34:47 -0700
> Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote:
> 
>>>> CAP_TRACING does not override normal permissions on sysfs or debugfs.
>>>> This means that, unless a new interface for programming kprobes and
>>>> such is added, it does not directly allow use of kprobes.  
>>> 
>>> kprobes can be created in the tracefs filesystem (which is separate from
>>> debugfs, tracefs just gets automatically mounted
>>> in /sys/kernel/debug/tracing when debugfs is mounted) from the
>>> kprobe_events file. /sys/kernel/tracing is just the tracefs
>>> directory without debugfs, and was created specifically to allow
>>> tracing to be access without opening up the can of worms in debugfs.  
>> 
>> I think that, in principle, CAP_TRACING should allow this, but I'm not
>> sure how to achieve that.  I suppose we could set up
>> inode_operations.permission on tracefs, but what exactly would it do?
>> Would it be just like generic_permission() except that it would look
>> at CAP_TRACING instead of CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE?  That is, you can use
>> tracefs if you have CAP_TRACING *or* acl access?  Or would it be:
>> 
>> int tracing_permission(struct inode *inode, int mask)
>> {
>>  if (!capable(CAP_TRACING))
>>    return -EPERM;
>> 
>>  return generic_permission(inode, mask);
>> }
> 
> Perhaps we should make a group for it?
> 

Hmm. That means that you’d need CAP_TRACING and a group. That’s probably not terrible, but it could be annoying.

>> 
>> Which would mean that you need ACL *and* CAP_TRACING, so
>> administrators would change the mode to 777.  That's a bit scary.
>> 
>> And this still doesn't let people even *find* tracefs, since it's
>> hidden in debugfs.
>> 
>> So maybe make CAP_TRACING override ACLs but also add /sys/fs/tracing
>> and mount tracefs there, too, so that regular users can at least find
>> the mountpoint.
> 
> I think you missed what I said. It's not hidden in /sys/kernel/debug.
> If you enable tracefs, you have /sys/kernel/tracing created, and is
> completely separate from debugfs. I only have it *also* automatically
> mounted to /sys/kernel/debug/tracing for backward compatibility
> reasons, as older versions of trace-cmd will only mount debugfs (as
> root), and expect to find it there.
> 
> mount -t tracefs nodev /sys/kernel/tracing

Too many slashes :/

A group could work for v1.  Maybe all the tools should get updated to use this path?

> 
> -- Steve
> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Should we allow CAP_TRACING access to /proc/kallsyms? as it is helpful
>>> to convert perf and trace-cmd's function pointers into names. Once you
>>> allow tracing of the kernel, hiding /proc/kallsyms is pretty useless.  
>> 
>> I think we should.
> 

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Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20190827205213.456318-1-ast@kernel.org>
2019-08-27 23:01 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-27 23:21   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-27 23:34     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28  0:44       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-28  1:12         ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2019-08-28  2:22           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-28  0:38     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-28  3:30     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-08-28  4:47       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-28  0:34   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-28  0:55     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28  2:00       ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28  4:49         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-28  6:20           ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28 23:38             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-29  0:58               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28  4:43       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-28  6:12         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-28 22:55           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-29  0:45             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-29  0:53               ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-29  4:07               ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-09-28 23:37                 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-09-30 18:31                   ` Kees Cook
2019-10-01  1:22                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-01 22:10                       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-01 22:18                         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-01 22:47                           ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-02 17:18                             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-02 23:00                               ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-03 16:18                                 ` trace_printk issue. Was: " Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-03 16:41                                   ` Steven Rostedt
2019-10-04 19:56                                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-03  6:12                     ` Masami Hiramatsu
2019-10-03 16:20                       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-28  7:14   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-28 22:08     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-29 13:34       ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-29 15:43         ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-29 17:23           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-29 17:36             ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-08-29 17:49             ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-29 17:19         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-08-29 17:47           ` Steven Rostedt

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