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From: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
To: "Dr. Greg" <greg@enjellic.com>
Cc: Nathaniel McCallum <npmccallum@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, "Christopherson,
	Sean J" <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	Neil Horman <nhorman@redhat.com>,
	"Huang, Haitao" <haitao.huang@intel.com>,
	andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com, tglx@linutronix.de, "Svahn,
	Kai" <kai.svahn@intel.com>,
	bp@alien8.de, Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	luto@kernel.org, kai.huang@intel.com, rientjes@google.com,
	cedric.xing@intel.com, Patrick Uiterwijk <puiterwijk@redhat.com>,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v28 14/22] selftests/x86: Add a selftest for SGX
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2020 21:07:53 +0200
Message-ID: <20200306190753.GH7472@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200306154222.GA20820@wind.enjellic.com>

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 09:42:22AM -0600, Dr. Greg wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 01:33:28PM +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> 
> Good morning, I hope the end of the week is going well for everyone.
> 
> > On Wed, 2020-03-04 at 14:27 -0500, Nathaniel McCallum wrote:
> > >         # Header
> > >         .fill   1, 8, 0                 # XSTATE_BV
> > >         .fill   1, 8, 1 << 63           # XCOMP_BV (compaction mode)
> > >         .fill   6, 8, 0
> > > 
> > > Also, since people are likely to copy this code for their own
> > > enclaves, it would be helpful to document which flags are set in FCW
> > > and MXCSR.
> 
> > It was meant as a test program but I'd guess what you say is true
> > because it also might be the only alternative user space to Intel's
> > :-) And a great starting point if you want to do things from
> > scratch.
> >
> > Because I meant it as a smoke test program for SGX, not everything
> > is too well documented but given the multipurpose use for that code
> > I'll make the improvements that you are suggesting.
> 
> At the risk of what will certainly be a fair amount of criticism, I
> will take on the moniker of being the pernicious voice of reality, if
> not intellectual honesty, in all of this.  No market or security
> relevant enclaves are going to get built by developers starting from
> scratch or copying this code, useful and informative as it might be,
> into their enclaves.
> 
> That isn't to say that it isn't good to have some example code but
> Nate's point in a previous e-mail is well taken, it shouldn't have
> known security vulnerabilities in it.  Given the current realities of
> speculative execution attacks, there are a ton of subtle issues
> surrounding entry and exit into enclaves, which by definition is the
> primary attack surface for a trusted execution environment.
> 
> For the sake of those reading along at home, relevant enclave
> development needs, at an absolute minimum, the following:
> 
> 1.) A lot of trusted runtime initialization and scaffolding code.
> 2.) An embedded C/C++ library.
> 3.) A compiler intrinsics implementation.
> 
> That gets you, maybe, something that you can start thinking about,
> 'hello world', with, but nothing useful with respect to what anyone
> would want to do with an enclave.

Actually many people have applaused to have a small scoped, even if not
perfect, test program to look at how SGX works. One that is only
dependent on glibc. None of the selftests are meant to be production
peaces of code. You are getting wrong the role of the selftest in the
first place.

/Jarkko

  reply index

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-03 23:35 [PATCH v28 00/22] Intel SGX foundations Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 01/22] x86/sgx: Update MAINTAINERS Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 02/22] x86/cpufeatures: x86/msr: Add Intel SGX hardware bits Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 03/22] x86/cpufeatures: x86/msr: Intel SGX Launch Control " Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 04/22] x86/mm: x86/sgx: Signal SIGSEGV with PF_SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 05/22] x86/sgx: Add SGX microarchitectural data structures Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 06/22] x86/sgx: Add wrappers for ENCLS leaf functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-09 21:14   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 07/22] x86/cpu/intel: Detect SGX supprt Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-09 21:56   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-11 17:03     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 08/22] x86/sgx: Enumerate and track EPC sections Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 09/22] x86/sgx: Add functions to allocate and free EPC pages Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 10/22] mm: Introduce vm_ops->may_mprotect() Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 11/22] x86/sgx: Linux Enclave Driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-05 17:40   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-05 18:24     ` Jethro Beekman
2020-03-05 19:04       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-06 19:00       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-19 18:22         ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-06 18:58     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 12/22] docs: x86/sgx: Document SGX micro architecture and kernel internals Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 13/22] selftests/x86: Recurse into subdirectories Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 14/22] selftests/x86: Add a selftest for SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-04 19:27   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-05 11:33     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-06 15:42       ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-06 19:07         ` Jarkko Sakkinen [this message]
2020-03-07 17:42           ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-10 13:08             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-11 13:28       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]         ` <20200311164047.GG21852@linux.intel.com>
2020-03-13 19:24           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-04 19:44   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-04 19:51   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-06  5:32   ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-06 19:04     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-10 19:29     ` Haitao Huang
2020-03-11  9:13       ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-11 17:15         ` Haitao Huang
2020-03-17  1:07       ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 15/22] x86/sgx: Add provisioning Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 16/22] x86/sgx: Add a page reclaimer Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-05 19:03   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-06 18:47     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-12 18:38       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-15  0:27         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-15  1:17           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-09 21:16   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 17/22] x86/sgx: ptrace() support for the SGX driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 18/22] x86/vdso: Add support for exception fixup in vDSO functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 19/22] x86/fault: Add helper function to sanitize error code Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 20/22] x86/traps: Attempt to fixup exceptions in vDSO before signaling Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 21/22] x86/vdso: Implement a vDSO for Intel SGX enclave call Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-11 17:30   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-11 17:38     ` Jethro Beekman
2020-03-11 19:15       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 15:48       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 16:46         ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-13 18:32           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 18:44             ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-13 20:14               ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 22:08                 ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-14 14:10                   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-18 23:40                     ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-19  0:38                       ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-19  1:03                         ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-20 13:55                       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-15  1:25     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-15 17:53       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-16 13:31         ` Jethro Beekman
2020-03-16 13:57           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-16 13:59             ` Jethro Beekman
2020-03-16 14:03               ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-16 17:17                 ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-16 21:27             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 21:29               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 22:55           ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-16 23:56             ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-18 22:01               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-18 22:18                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 13:56         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 14:01           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-16 21:38             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 22:53               ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-16 23:50                 ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-16 23:59                   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-17  0:18                     ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-17  0:27                       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-17 16:37                         ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-17 16:50                       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-17 21:40                         ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-17 22:09                           ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-17 22:36                             ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-17 23:57                               ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-17 22:23                         ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-18 13:01                           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-20 15:53                             ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-17 16:28                 ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-18 22:58                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-18 22:39                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-11 19:30   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13  0:52     ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-13 16:07       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 16:33         ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 22/22] selftests/x86: Add vDSO selftest for SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-04 19:24 ` [PATCH v28 00/22] Intel SGX foundations Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-17 16:00 ` Jordan Hand
2020-03-18 21:56   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-19 17:16   ` Dr. Greg

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