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From: "Dr. Greg" <greg@enjellic.com>
To: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Nathaniel McCallum <npmccallum@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-sgx@vger.kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	dave.hansen@intel.com, "Christopherson,
	Sean J" <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	Neil Horman <nhorman@redhat.com>,
	"Huang, Haitao" <haitao.huang@intel.com>,
	andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com, tglx@linutronix.de, "Svahn,
	Kai" <kai.svahn@intel.com>,
	bp@alien8.de, Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	luto@kernel.org, kai.huang@intel.com, rientjes@google.com,
	cedric.xing@intel.com, Patrick Uiterwijk <puiterwijk@redhat.com>,
	linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v28 14/22] selftests/x86: Add a selftest for SGX
Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2020 11:42:23 -0600
Message-ID: <20200307174223.GA30928@wind.enjellic.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200306190753.GH7472@linux.intel.com>

On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 09:07:53PM +0200, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:

Good morning, I hope the weekend is going well for everyone.

> Actually many people have applaused to have a small scoped, even if
> not perfect, test program to look at how SGX works. One that is only
> dependent on glibc. None of the selftests are meant to be production
> peaces of code. You are getting wrong the role of the selftest in
> the first place.

We certainly want to be counted in the camp of those who are
applausing you for making the selftests available, particularly the
new VDSO setup and entry code.

We arguably have similar motivations.  We architected and authored an
entire SGX runtime that has as its only dependencies the MUSL C
library, libelf and OpenSSL, primarily because we needed an easily
auditable and low footprint SGX implementation.

To the point at hand though, I'm certainly not a very smart guy so I
doubt that I am able to understand the role of the selftests.  We do
seem to agree though that they only provide a rudimentary exercise of
the driver.

We also seem to agree that the primary role of the driver is to
service the needs of those of us that are building production level
SGX runtime stacks.  In service of that premise, it would be helpful
to know if you are internally testing the driver/VDSO against enclaves
of production quality, with metadata, or just the two page selftest
enclave.

Since Intel signs and releases binary enclaves, (QE, LE, PCE), it
would seem that a load and initialization of these enclaves would
provide a good reference point for all of us to agree on with respect
to basic driver testing and validation.

> /Jarkko

Have a good remainder of the weekend.

Dr. Greg

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  reply index

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-03 23:35 [PATCH v28 00/22] Intel SGX foundations Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 01/22] x86/sgx: Update MAINTAINERS Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 02/22] x86/cpufeatures: x86/msr: Add Intel SGX hardware bits Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 03/22] x86/cpufeatures: x86/msr: Intel SGX Launch Control " Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 04/22] x86/mm: x86/sgx: Signal SIGSEGV with PF_SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 05/22] x86/sgx: Add SGX microarchitectural data structures Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 06/22] x86/sgx: Add wrappers for ENCLS leaf functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-09 21:14   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 07/22] x86/cpu/intel: Detect SGX supprt Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-09 21:56   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-11 17:03     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 08/22] x86/sgx: Enumerate and track EPC sections Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 09/22] x86/sgx: Add functions to allocate and free EPC pages Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 10/22] mm: Introduce vm_ops->may_mprotect() Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 11/22] x86/sgx: Linux Enclave Driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-05 17:40   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-05 18:24     ` Jethro Beekman
2020-03-05 19:04       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-06 19:00       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-19 18:22         ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-06 18:58     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:35 ` [PATCH v28 12/22] docs: x86/sgx: Document SGX micro architecture and kernel internals Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 13/22] selftests/x86: Recurse into subdirectories Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 14/22] selftests/x86: Add a selftest for SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-04 19:27   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-05 11:33     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-06 15:42       ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-06 19:07         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-07 17:42           ` Dr. Greg [this message]
2020-03-10 13:08             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-11 13:28       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
     [not found]         ` <20200311164047.GG21852@linux.intel.com>
2020-03-13 19:24           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-04 19:44   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-04 19:51   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-06  5:32   ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-06 19:04     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-10 19:29     ` Haitao Huang
2020-03-11  9:13       ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-11 17:15         ` Haitao Huang
2020-03-17  1:07       ` Dr. Greg
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 15/22] x86/sgx: Add provisioning Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 16/22] x86/sgx: Add a page reclaimer Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-05 19:03   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-06 18:47     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-12 18:38       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-15  0:27         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-15  1:17           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-09 21:16   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 17/22] x86/sgx: ptrace() support for the SGX driver Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 18/22] x86/vdso: Add support for exception fixup in vDSO functions Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 19/22] x86/fault: Add helper function to sanitize error code Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 20/22] x86/traps: Attempt to fixup exceptions in vDSO before signaling Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 21/22] x86/vdso: Implement a vDSO for Intel SGX enclave call Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-11 17:30   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-11 17:38     ` Jethro Beekman
2020-03-11 19:15       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 15:48       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 16:46         ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-13 18:32           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 18:44             ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-13 20:14               ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 22:08                 ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-14 14:10                   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-18 23:40                     ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-19  0:38                       ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-19  1:03                         ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-20 13:55                       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-15  1:25     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-15 17:53       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-16 13:31         ` Jethro Beekman
2020-03-16 13:57           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-16 13:59             ` Jethro Beekman
2020-03-16 14:03               ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-16 17:17                 ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-16 21:27             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 21:29               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 22:55           ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-16 23:56             ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-18 22:01               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-18 22:18                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 13:56         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 14:01           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-16 21:38             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-16 22:53               ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-16 23:50                 ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-16 23:59                   ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-17  0:18                     ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-17  0:27                       ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-17 16:37                         ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-17 16:50                       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-17 21:40                         ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-17 22:09                           ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-17 22:36                             ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-17 23:57                               ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-17 22:23                         ` Xing, Cedric
2020-03-18 13:01                           ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-20 15:53                             ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-17 16:28                 ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-18 22:58                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-18 22:39                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-11 19:30   ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13  0:52     ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-13 16:07       ` Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-13 16:33         ` Sean Christopherson
2020-03-03 23:36 ` [PATCH v28 22/22] selftests/x86: Add vDSO selftest for SGX Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-04 19:24 ` [PATCH v28 00/22] Intel SGX foundations Nathaniel McCallum
2020-03-17 16:00 ` Jordan Hand
2020-03-18 21:56   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-03-19 17:16   ` Dr. Greg

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