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From: "Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/6] treewide: remove using list iterator after loop body as a ptr
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2022 21:07:03 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <282f0f8d-f491-26fc-6ae0-604b367a5a1a@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wgQps58DPEOe4y5cTh5oE9EdNTWRLXzgMiETc+mFX7jzw@mail.gmail.com>

Am 28.02.22 um 20:56 schrieb Linus Torvalds:
> On Mon, Feb 28, 2022 at 4:19 AM Christian König
> <christian.koenig@amd.com> wrote:
>> I don't think that using the extra variable makes the code in any way
>> more reliable or easier to read.
> So I think the next step is to do the attached patch (which requires
> that "-std=gnu11" that was discussed in the original thread).
>
> That will guarantee that the 'pos' parameter of list_for_each_entry()
> is only updated INSIDE the for_each_list_entry() loop, and can never
> point to the (wrongly typed) head entry.
>
> And I would actually hope that it should actually cause compiler
> warnings about possibly uninitialized variables if people then use the
> 'pos' pointer outside the loop. Except
>
>   (a) that code in sgx/encl.c currently initializes 'tmp' to NULL for
> inexplicable reasons - possibly because it already expected this
> behavior
>
>   (b) when I remove that NULL initializer, I still don't get a warning,
> because we've disabled -Wno-maybe-uninitialized since it results in so
> many false positives.
>
> Oh well.
>
> Anyway, give this patch a look, and at least if it's expanded to do
> "(pos) = NULL" in the entry statement for the for-loop, it will avoid
> the HEAD type confusion that Jakob is working on. And I think in a
> cleaner way than the horrid games he plays.
>
> (But it won't avoid possible CPU speculation of such type confusion.
> That, in my opinion, is a completely different issue)

Yes, completely agree.

> I do wish we could actually poison the 'pos' value after the loop
> somehow - but clearly the "might be uninitialized" I was hoping for
> isn't the way to do it.
>
> Anybody have any ideas?

I think we should look at the use cases why code is touching (pos) after 
the loop.

Just from skimming over the patches to change this and experience with 
the drivers/subsystems I help to maintain I think the primary pattern 
looks something like this:

list_for_each_entry(entry, head, member) {
     if (some_condition_checking(entry))
         break;
}
do_something_with(entry);

So the solution should probably not be to change all those use cases to 
use more temporary variables, but rather to add a list_find_entry(..., 
condition) macro and consistently use that one instead.

Regards,
Christian.

>
>                  Linus


  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-02-28 20:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-02-28 11:08 [PATCH 0/6] Remove usage of list iterator past the loop body Jakob Koschel
2022-02-28 11:08 ` [PATCH 1/6] drivers: usb: remove " Jakob Koschel
2022-02-28 11:24   ` Dan Carpenter
2022-02-28 12:03     ` Jakob Koschel
2022-02-28 13:18       ` Dan Carpenter
2022-02-28 18:20     ` Joe Perches
2022-03-01  5:52       ` Dan Carpenter
2022-02-28 11:08 ` [PATCH 2/6] treewide: remove using list iterator after loop body as a ptr Jakob Koschel
2022-02-28 11:20   ` Greg KH
2022-02-28 12:06     ` Jakob Koschel
2022-03-01 17:37       ` Greg KH
2022-02-28 12:19   ` Christian König
2022-02-28 19:56     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-28 20:03       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-28 20:10         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-28 20:14           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-28 20:53             ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-02-28 20:16           ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-02-28 20:27             ` Johannes Berg
2022-02-28 20:41               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-28 20:37             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-28 23:26               ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-03-01  0:45                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-01  0:57                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-01 18:14                   ` Kees Cook
2022-03-01 18:47                     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-01 19:01                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-03-01  3:03             ` David Laight
2022-02-28 21:47           ` Jakob Koschel
2022-03-01  0:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-01  6:32               ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-03-01 11:28               ` Jakob Koschel
2022-03-01 17:36                 ` Greg KH
2022-03-01 17:40                   ` Jakob Koschel
2022-03-01 17:58                     ` Greg KH
2022-03-01 18:21                 ` Kees Cook
2022-03-02  9:31               ` Xiaomeng Tong
2022-03-02 14:04                 ` David Laight
2022-03-03  2:27                   ` Xiaomeng Tong
2022-03-03  4:58                     ` David Laight
2022-03-03  7:26                       ` Xiaomeng Tong
2022-03-03  9:30                         ` David Laight
2022-03-03 12:37                           ` Xiaomeng Tong
2022-03-03 12:18                         ` [Kgdb-bugreport] " Daniel Thompson
2022-03-04  6:59                           ` Xiaomeng Tong
2022-03-03  7:32                       ` Jakob Koschel
2022-03-03  8:30                         ` Xiaomeng Tong
2022-03-03  8:38                           ` Xiaomeng Tong
2022-02-28 20:07       ` Christian König [this message]
2022-02-28 20:42         ` James Bottomley
2022-02-28 20:56           ` Christian König
2022-02-28 21:13             ` James Bottomley
2022-03-01  7:03               ` Christian König
2022-02-28 22:05             ` Jakob Koschel
2022-02-28 21:18           ` Jeffrey Walton
2022-02-28 21:59           ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-28 22:28             ` James Bottomley
2022-02-28 22:50               ` Barnabás Pőcze
2022-03-01  0:30               ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-03-01  0:54                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-01 19:06               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-01 19:42                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-01 22:58                 ` David Laight
2022-03-01 23:03                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-01 23:19                     ` David Laight
2022-03-01 23:55                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-02  9:29                         ` Rasmus Villemoes
2022-03-02 20:07                           ` Kees Cook
2022-03-02 20:18                             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-02 20:59                               ` Kees Cook
2022-03-03  8:37                             ` Dan Carpenter
2022-03-03 10:56                           ` Dan Carpenter
2022-03-01  2:15       ` David Laight
2022-02-28 13:13   ` Dan Carpenter
2022-02-28 11:08 ` [PATCH 3/6] treewide: fix incorrect use to determine if list is empty Jakob Koschel
2022-02-28 11:38   ` Dan Carpenter
2022-02-28 11:08 ` [PATCH 4/6] drivers: remove unnecessary use of list iterator variable Jakob Koschel
2022-02-28 11:08 ` [PATCH 5/6] treewide: remove dereference of list iterator after loop body Jakob Koschel
2022-02-28 11:08 ` [PATCH 6/6] treewide: remove check of list iterator against head past the " Jakob Koschel
2022-02-28 11:22   ` Dominique Martinet
2022-02-28 13:12   ` Dan Carpenter
2022-03-01 20:36   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-02 17:14   ` [Intel-gfx] " Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-07 15:00 ` [PATCH 0/6] Remove usage of list iterator " Dan Carpenter
2022-03-07 15:26   ` David Laight

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