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Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/6] treewide: remove using list iterator after loop body as a ptr
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2022 10:47:14 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=whccSm8HKANQbomYrF8cqBa1wUi1dvUEUc3Nf=WoX3WHQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <202203011008.AA0B5A2D@keescook>
On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 10:14 AM Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> wrote:
>
> The first big glitch with -Wshadow was with shadowed global variables.
> GCC 4.8 fixed that, but it still yells about shadowed functions. What
> _almost_ works is -Wshadow=local.
Heh. Yeah, I just have long memories of "-Wshadow was a disaster". You
looked into the details.
> Another way to try to catch misused shadow variables is
> -Wunused-but-set-varible, but it, too, has tons of false positives.
That on the face of it should be an easy warning to get technically
right for a compiler.
So I assume the "false positives" are simply because we end up having
various variables that really don't end up being used - and
"intentionally" so).
Or rather, they might only be used under some config option - perhaps
the use is even syntactically there and parsed, but the compiler
notices that it's turned off under some
if (IS_ENABLED(..))
option? Because yeah, we have a lot of those.
I think that's a common theme with a lot of compiler warnings: on the
face of it they sound "obviously sane" and nobody should ever write
code like that.
A conditional that is always true? Sounds idiotic, and sounds like a
reasonable thing for a compiler to warn about, since why would you
have a conditional in the first place for that?
But then you realize that maybe the conditional is a build config
option, and "always true" suddenly makes sense. Or it's a test for
something that is always true on _that_architecture_ but not in some
general sense (ie testing "sizeof()"). Or it's a purely syntactic
conditional, like "do { } while (0)".
It's why I'm often so down on a lot of the odd warnings that are
hiding under W=1 and friends. They all may make sense in the trivial
case ("That is insane") but then in the end they happen for sane code.
And yeah, -Wshadow has had tons of history with macro nesting, and
just being badly done in the first place (eg "strlen" can be a
perfectly fine local variable).
That said, maybe people could ask the gcc and clan people for a way to
_mark_ the places where we expect to validly see shadowing. For
example, that "local variable in a macro expression statement" thing
is absolutely horrendous to fix with preprocessor tricks to try to
make for unique identifiers.
But I think it would be much more syntactically reasonable to add (for
example) a "shadow" attribute to such a variable exactly to tell the
compiler "yeah, yeah, I know this identifier could shadow an outer
one" and turn it off that way.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-03-01 18:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-02-28 11:08 [PATCH 0/6] Remove usage of list iterator past the loop body Jakob Koschel
2022-02-28 11:08 ` [PATCH 1/6] drivers: usb: remove " Jakob Koschel
2022-02-28 11:24 ` Dan Carpenter
2022-02-28 12:03 ` Jakob Koschel
2022-02-28 13:18 ` Dan Carpenter
2022-02-28 18:20 ` Joe Perches
2022-03-01 5:52 ` Dan Carpenter
2022-02-28 11:08 ` [PATCH 2/6] treewide: remove using list iterator after loop body as a ptr Jakob Koschel
2022-02-28 11:20 ` Greg KH
2022-02-28 12:06 ` Jakob Koschel
2022-03-01 17:37 ` Greg KH
2022-02-28 12:19 ` Christian König
2022-02-28 19:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-28 20:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-28 20:10 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-28 20:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-28 20:53 ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-02-28 20:16 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-02-28 20:27 ` Johannes Berg
2022-02-28 20:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-28 20:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-28 23:26 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-03-01 0:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-01 0:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-01 18:14 ` Kees Cook
2022-03-01 18:47 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2022-03-01 19:01 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-03-01 3:03 ` David Laight
2022-02-28 21:47 ` Jakob Koschel
2022-03-01 0:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-01 6:32 ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-03-01 11:28 ` Jakob Koschel
2022-03-01 17:36 ` Greg KH
2022-03-01 17:40 ` Jakob Koschel
2022-03-01 17:58 ` Greg KH
2022-03-01 18:21 ` Kees Cook
2022-03-02 9:31 ` Xiaomeng Tong
2022-03-02 14:04 ` David Laight
2022-03-03 2:27 ` Xiaomeng Tong
2022-03-03 4:58 ` David Laight
2022-03-03 7:26 ` Xiaomeng Tong
2022-03-03 9:30 ` David Laight
2022-03-03 12:37 ` Xiaomeng Tong
2022-03-03 12:18 ` [Kgdb-bugreport] " Daniel Thompson
2022-03-04 6:59 ` Xiaomeng Tong
2022-03-03 7:32 ` Jakob Koschel
2022-03-03 8:30 ` Xiaomeng Tong
2022-03-03 8:38 ` Xiaomeng Tong
2022-02-28 20:07 ` Christian König
2022-02-28 20:42 ` James Bottomley
2022-02-28 20:56 ` Christian König
2022-02-28 21:13 ` James Bottomley
2022-03-01 7:03 ` Christian König
2022-02-28 22:05 ` Jakob Koschel
2022-02-28 21:18 ` Jeffrey Walton
2022-02-28 21:59 ` Mike Rapoport
2022-02-28 22:28 ` James Bottomley
2022-02-28 22:50 ` Barnabás Pőcze
2022-03-01 0:30 ` Segher Boessenkool
2022-03-01 0:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-01 19:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-01 19:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-01 22:58 ` David Laight
2022-03-01 23:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-01 23:19 ` David Laight
2022-03-01 23:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-02 9:29 ` Rasmus Villemoes
2022-03-02 20:07 ` Kees Cook
2022-03-02 20:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-02 20:59 ` Kees Cook
2022-03-03 8:37 ` Dan Carpenter
2022-03-03 10:56 ` Dan Carpenter
2022-03-01 2:15 ` David Laight
2022-02-28 13:13 ` Dan Carpenter
2022-02-28 11:08 ` [PATCH 3/6] treewide: fix incorrect use to determine if list is empty Jakob Koschel
2022-02-28 11:38 ` Dan Carpenter
2022-02-28 11:08 ` [PATCH 4/6] drivers: remove unnecessary use of list iterator variable Jakob Koschel
2022-02-28 11:08 ` [PATCH 5/6] treewide: remove dereference of list iterator after loop body Jakob Koschel
2022-02-28 11:08 ` [PATCH 6/6] treewide: remove check of list iterator against head past the " Jakob Koschel
2022-02-28 11:22 ` Dominique Martinet
2022-02-28 13:12 ` Dan Carpenter
2022-03-01 20:36 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-02 17:14 ` [Intel-gfx] " Tvrtko Ursulin
2022-03-07 15:00 ` [PATCH 0/6] Remove usage of list iterator " Dan Carpenter
2022-03-07 15:26 ` David Laight
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