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From: Jesse Pollard <pollard@cats-chateau.net>
To: Horst von Brand <vonbrand@sleipnir.valparaiso.cl>,
	Jesse Pollard <pollard@tomcat.admin.navo.hpc.mil>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.2.18Pre Lan Performance Rocks!
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 21:42:13 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <00103121504302.20791@tabby> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200011010133.eA11Xtr11638@sleipnir.valparaiso.cl>
In-Reply-To: <200011010133.eA11Xtr11638@sleipnir.valparaiso.cl>

On Tue, 31 Oct 2000, Horst von Brand wrote:
>Jesse Pollard <pollard@tomcat.admin.navo.hpc.mil> said:
>
>[...]
>
>> Also pay attention to the security aspects of a true "zero copy" TCP stack.
>> It means that SOMETIMES a user buffer will recieve data that is destined
>> for a different process.
>
>Why? AFAIKS, given proper handling of the issues involved, this can't
>happen (sure can get tricky, but can be done in principle. Or am I
>off-base?)

As I understand the current implementation, this can't. One of the optimizations
I had read about (for a linux test) used zero copy to/from user buffer as well
as zero copy in the kernel. I believe the DMA went directly to the users memory.

This causes a problem when/if there is a context switch before the data is
actually transferred to the proper location. The buffer isn't ready for use,
but could be examined by the user application (hence the security problem).

It was posed that this is not a problem IF the cluster (and it was a beowulf
cluster under discussion) is operated in a single user, dedicated mode.
In which case, to examine the buffer would either be a bug in the program,
or a debugger looking at a buffer directly.

To my knowlege, zero copy is only done to/from device and kernel. Userspace
has to go through a buffer copy (one into user space; one output from user
space) for all IP handling. All checksums are either done by the device,
or done without copying the data.

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Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-10-29 23:19 2.2.18Pre Lan Performance Rocks! Jeff V. Merkey
     [not found] ` <E13q2R7-0006S7-00@the-village.bc.nu>
2000-10-30  1:35   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  6:47     ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30  6:58       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  7:08         ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30  7:16           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  7:38             ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30  8:04               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  8:16                 ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30 12:47                 ` Alan Cox
2000-10-30 12:50                   ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30  8:26           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  7:20             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  8:39               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  8:08                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  9:52                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  8:55                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:13                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:11                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:41                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:33                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:56                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:45                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:04                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:56                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:13                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 10:08                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 17:41                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-30 17:58                                       ` Chris Evans
2000-10-30 18:01                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 18:21                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-30 17:59                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31  8:08                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 20:04                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 19:11                                       ` Dan Hollis
2000-10-31 18:59                                         ` Pavel Machek
2000-10-30 10:27                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:20                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:38                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:01                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:54                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:12                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 10:06                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:56                                       ` john slee
2000-10-30 18:04                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:31                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 12:57                                   ` Alan Cox
2000-10-30 17:55                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 18:34                                       ` Alan Cox
2000-10-30 21:17                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31  9:25                                         ` Erik Andersen
2000-10-31 18:50                               ` Pavel Machek
2000-10-31 20:06                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 20:13                                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:31                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 21:56                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 21:57                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:27                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 23:18                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:47                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-11-01  0:56                                       ` Davide Libenzi
     [not found]                                       ` <20001102031546.B10806@cerebro.laendle>
     [not found]                                         ` <20001101212835.A2425@vger.timpanogas.org>
     [not found]                                           ` <20001102043332.A27126@fuji.laendle>
     [not found]                                             ` <3A0195DA.DDEBAC51@timpanogas.org>
     [not found]                                               ` <20001102194323.D2790@cerebro.laendle>
     [not found]                                                 ` <3A01CBB5.48C3094A@timpanogas.org>
     [not found]                                                   ` <20001102214903.F2790@cerebro.laendle>
     [not found]                                                     ` <3A01E71A.778BD898@timpanogas.org>
     [not found]                                                       ` <20001102232210.H2790@cerebro.laendle>
     [not found]                                                         ` <3A01ECD2.76DE10FF@timpanogas.org>
2000-11-02 22:46                                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-03  0:12                                                             ` Davide Libenzi
2000-11-02 23:00                                                               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:34                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 21:52                                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:05                                     ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-31 22:23                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:45                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:44                                           ` David Lang
2000-10-31 22:57                                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:52                                               ` David Lang
2000-10-31 23:02                                           ` Alan Cox
2000-10-31 23:03                                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:08                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 22:59                                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  2:30                                           ` Horst von Brand
2000-10-31 23:05                                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-10-31 23:14                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:32                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 23:23                                               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:55                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 23:54                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 22:47                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:56                                             ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:55                                               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:10                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-11-01  5:38                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2000-11-03  6:42                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2000-10-31 22:59                                     ` Michael H. Warfield
2000-10-31 23:12                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 22:28                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  5:01                                         ` Peter Samuelson
2000-11-01  5:09                                           ` Larry McVoy
2000-11-01  5:20                                             ` Peter Samuelson
2000-10-30 10:50                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:40                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 23:26                 ` David Woodhouse
2000-10-30 23:49                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 23:34                     ` Roger Larsson
2000-10-31 15:18 ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 20:26   ` Alan Cox
2000-10-31 15:30     ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 20:37       ` Alan Cox
2000-10-31 20:48         ` Jesse Pollard
2000-10-31 20:58           ` Alan Cox
2000-11-01  1:33           ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-01  3:42             ` Jesse Pollard [this message]
2000-11-01 13:26               ` Horst von Brand
2000-10-31 21:43     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:50       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 20:36   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 15:47     ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 21:05       ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 21:33     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:48       ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 16:54         ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 21:58           ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 21:53         ` Jeff V. Merkey
     [not found] <200010300823.BAA19834@vger.timpanogas.org>
2000-10-30  8:36 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:44 Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:36 ` Paul Menage
2000-10-31 21:44   ` David S. Miller
2000-10-31 23:21   ` Matti Aarnio
2000-10-31 23:39     ` David Weinehall
2000-10-31 22:05 ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:15   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:27     ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:38       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:48         ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 22:50           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:49         ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:53           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 23:15         ` Nathan Paul Simons
2000-10-31 23:20           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:00             ` Michael H. Warfield
2000-11-01  0:07               ` Alan Cox
2000-11-01  0:13                 ` Michael H. Warfield
2000-11-01  1:30         ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found]           ` <20001031183809.C9733@.timpanogas.org>
2000-11-01 15:41             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-01 17:25               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 17:35                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 18:07                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-01 18:34                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 21:13                       ` Daniel Phillips
2000-11-01 21:32                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 11:13         ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-01 15:00           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-01  9:51       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2000-11-01 17:28         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-02 21:58         ` Anton Altaparmakov

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