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From: Peter Samuelson <peter@cadcamlab.org>
To: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@timpanogas.org>
Cc: mingo@elte.hu, Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.2.18Pre Lan Performance Rocks!
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 23:01:20 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20001031230120.G1041@wire.cadcamlab.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0011010010380.16674-100000@elte.hu> <39FF4773.CA06CB60@timpanogas.org>
In-Reply-To: <39FF4773.CA06CB60@timpanogas.org>; from jmerkey@timpanogas.org on Tue, Oct 31, 2000 at 03:28:03PM -0700


    [Jeff Merkey]
> > > The numbers don't lie. [...]
> > 
  [Ingo Molnar]
> > sure ;) I can do infinite context switches! You dont believe? See:
> > 
> >         #define schedule() do { } while (0)

[Jeff]
> Actually, I think the compiler would optimize this statement
> completely out of the code.

That was Ingo's point.  He is doing infinite context switches per
second, where a context switch is defined as "schedule()", because he
turned it into a noop.

I.e. the numbers can easily be made to lie, by playing with the rules
of the game.

The point of confusion, Jeff, is that to *you* a context switch means
stack switch, with no baggage like scheduling or reloading registers.
Everyone else here thinks of a context switch as meaning a pre-emptive
switch between two unrelated processes -- which as you know involves
not only the stack, but MM adjustments, registers, floating point
registers (expensive on pre-P6), IP, and some form of scheduling.

Obviously some of these can be optimized out if you can make
assumptions about the processes: you might drop memory protection if
you like the stability of Windows 95, floating point if you can get
away with telling people they can't use it, maybe use FIFO scheduling
if you don't care about fairness and you know the processes are more or
less uniform.  Linux cannot make any of these assumptions -- it is far
too general-purpose.

In Linux, in fact, jumping from ring 3 to ring 0 (ie system call) is
not considered a context switch.  I suppose you would consider it one.
So the real question is, how many gettimeofday() per sec can Linux do?

Peter
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Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-10-29 23:19 2.2.18Pre Lan Performance Rocks! Jeff V. Merkey
     [not found] ` <E13q2R7-0006S7-00@the-village.bc.nu>
2000-10-30  1:35   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  6:47     ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30  6:58       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  7:08         ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30  7:16           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  7:38             ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30  8:04               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  8:16                 ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30 12:47                 ` Alan Cox
2000-10-30 12:50                   ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30  8:26           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  7:20             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  8:39               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  8:08                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  9:52                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  8:55                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:13                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:11                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:41                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:33                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:56                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:45                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:04                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:56                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:13                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 10:08                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 17:41                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-30 17:58                                       ` Chris Evans
2000-10-30 18:01                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 18:21                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-30 17:59                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31  8:08                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 20:04                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 19:11                                       ` Dan Hollis
2000-10-31 18:59                                         ` Pavel Machek
2000-10-30 10:27                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:20                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:38                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:01                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:54                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:12                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 10:06                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:56                                       ` john slee
2000-10-30 18:04                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:31                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 12:57                                   ` Alan Cox
2000-10-30 17:55                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 18:34                                       ` Alan Cox
2000-10-30 21:17                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31  9:25                                         ` Erik Andersen
2000-10-31 18:50                               ` Pavel Machek
2000-10-31 20:06                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 20:13                                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:31                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 21:56                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 21:57                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:27                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 23:18                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:47                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-11-01  0:56                                       ` Davide Libenzi
     [not found]                                       ` <20001102031546.B10806@cerebro.laendle>
     [not found]                                         ` <20001101212835.A2425@vger.timpanogas.org>
     [not found]                                           ` <20001102043332.A27126@fuji.laendle>
     [not found]                                             ` <3A0195DA.DDEBAC51@timpanogas.org>
     [not found]                                               ` <20001102194323.D2790@cerebro.laendle>
     [not found]                                                 ` <3A01CBB5.48C3094A@timpanogas.org>
     [not found]                                                   ` <20001102214903.F2790@cerebro.laendle>
     [not found]                                                     ` <3A01E71A.778BD898@timpanogas.org>
     [not found]                                                       ` <20001102232210.H2790@cerebro.laendle>
     [not found]                                                         ` <3A01ECD2.76DE10FF@timpanogas.org>
2000-11-02 22:46                                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-03  0:12                                                             ` Davide Libenzi
2000-11-02 23:00                                                               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:34                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 21:52                                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:05                                     ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-31 22:23                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:45                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:44                                           ` David Lang
2000-10-31 22:57                                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:52                                               ` David Lang
2000-10-31 23:02                                           ` Alan Cox
2000-10-31 23:03                                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:08                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 22:59                                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  2:30                                           ` Horst von Brand
2000-10-31 23:05                                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-10-31 23:14                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:32                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 23:23                                               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:55                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 23:54                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 22:47                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:56                                             ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:55                                               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:10                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-11-01  5:38                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2000-11-03  6:42                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2000-10-31 22:59                                     ` Michael H. Warfield
2000-10-31 23:12                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 22:28                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  5:01                                         ` Peter Samuelson [this message]
2000-11-01  5:09                                           ` Larry McVoy
2000-11-01  5:20                                             ` Peter Samuelson
2000-10-30 10:50                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:40                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 23:26                 ` David Woodhouse
2000-10-30 23:49                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 23:34                     ` Roger Larsson
2000-10-31 15:18 ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 20:26   ` Alan Cox
2000-10-31 15:30     ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 20:37       ` Alan Cox
2000-10-31 20:48         ` Jesse Pollard
2000-10-31 20:58           ` Alan Cox
2000-11-01  1:33           ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-01  3:42             ` Jesse Pollard
2000-11-01 13:26               ` Horst von Brand
2000-10-31 21:43     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:50       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 20:36   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 15:47     ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 21:05       ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 21:33     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:48       ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 16:54         ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 21:58           ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 21:53         ` Jeff V. Merkey
     [not found] <200010300823.BAA19834@vger.timpanogas.org>
2000-10-30  8:36 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:44 Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:36 ` Paul Menage
2000-10-31 21:44   ` David S. Miller
2000-10-31 23:21   ` Matti Aarnio
2000-10-31 23:39     ` David Weinehall
2000-10-31 22:05 ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:15   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:27     ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:38       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:48         ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 22:50           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:49         ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:53           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 23:15         ` Nathan Paul Simons
2000-10-31 23:20           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:00             ` Michael H. Warfield
2000-11-01  0:07               ` Alan Cox
2000-11-01  0:13                 ` Michael H. Warfield
2000-11-01  1:30         ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found]           ` <20001031183809.C9733@.timpanogas.org>
2000-11-01 15:41             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-01 17:25               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 17:35                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 18:07                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-01 18:34                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 21:13                       ` Daniel Phillips
2000-11-01 21:32                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 11:13         ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-01 15:00           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-01  9:51       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2000-11-01 17:28         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-02 21:58         ` Anton Altaparmakov

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