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From: "Jeff V. Merkey" <jmerkey@timpanogas.org>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Reto Baettig <baettig@scs.ch>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: 2.2.18Pre Lan Performance Rocks!
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 14:50:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <39FF3E9D.76A392E9@timpanogas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E13qhzo-0008DX-00@the-village.bc.nu> <39FF3CE6.19452C2D@timpanogas.org>



"Jeff V. Merkey" wrote:
> 
> Alan Cox wrote:
> >
> > > Why not solve the problem at the source and completely redesign the
> > > network stack? Get rid of the old sk_buff & co! Rip the whole network
> > > layer out! Redesign it and give the user a possibility of Zero-Copy
> > > networking!
> >
> > For one because you don't need to do that to get zero copy networking for
> > most real world cases. Tux already implements the neccessary infrastructure
> > for these.
> 
> The code in the networking layer is fine, in fact, it's absolutely
> great.  This is not
> the problem.   The problem are all the clocks wasted reloading TLBs and
> the background
> memory activitiy caused by Linux's heavy dependence in Intel's
> protection hardware model.
> 
> Step 1 is to load the entire OS at ring 0 with protection completely
> disabled system wide,
> put in the kernel optimizations for AGI and context switch locking, and
> stub the top half of Linus's scheduler.  The global memory structures in
> his kernel may or may not hurt performance, depending on how they are
> accessed by multiple processors.  I will need to start profiling with a
> ring 0 port first and determine frequency of access that's hardware
> measured.
> 
> The next step would be to start peeling off different subsystems and
> re-parallelizing them
> on the merged kernel.  There's an awful lot of areas in Linus' that are
> going to be a
> problem, but I'll work through them one at a time.  When I first
> parallelized NetWare, I wrote
> an independent SMP kernel then loaded the entire NetWare 4.1 image as a
> single process.  The next step was to start peeling off layers from
> NetWare and plugging them in one by one and parallelizing them.  I am
> using the same approach here.  When I was finished, I had peeled NetWare
> like a banana and completely reintegrated it on a new kernel.  This
> approach works because it allows you to stage each layer.
> 
> The next step will be to modify the loader to allow the existing
> protection scheme to exist in true user space.  WRD's will hold off CR3
> switching so long as I/O is coming in or out of the box.  I anticipate
> this will take until March of next year to get right.
> 
> Jeff
> 


One other point.  You guys can try as hard as you can to hack around
this problem, but it will never scale like NetWare unless a
fundamentally different approach is adopted.  I've built this before,
and what we are doing is building in all the Linux functionality with
the identical code -- basically a Linux NetWare -- into a NetWare
framework.  All the protection can still be there, it just needs to be
restructured with some LAN based design assumptions.  I think the
industry will be pleased with the result.  I do not believe any of the
proposed hacks will get there unless this different approach is
investigated.   

Jeff




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Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2000-10-29 23:19 2.2.18Pre Lan Performance Rocks! Jeff V. Merkey
     [not found] ` <E13q2R7-0006S7-00@the-village.bc.nu>
2000-10-30  1:35   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  6:47     ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30  6:58       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  7:08         ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30  7:16           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  7:38             ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30  8:04               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  8:16                 ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30 12:47                 ` Alan Cox
2000-10-30 12:50                   ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-30  8:26           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  7:20             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  8:39               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  8:08                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30  9:52                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  8:55                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:13                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:11                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:41                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:33                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:56                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:45                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:04                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:56                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:13                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 10:08                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 17:41                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-30 17:58                                       ` Chris Evans
2000-10-30 18:01                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 18:21                                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-10-30 17:59                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31  8:08                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 20:04                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 19:11                                       ` Dan Hollis
2000-10-31 18:59                                         ` Pavel Machek
2000-10-30 10:27                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:20                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:44                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:38                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:01                               ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:54                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:12                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 10:06                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 10:56                                       ` john slee
2000-10-30 18:04                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 11:31                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30 12:57                                   ` Alan Cox
2000-10-30 17:55                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 18:34                                       ` Alan Cox
2000-10-30 21:17                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31  9:25                                         ` Erik Andersen
2000-10-31 18:50                               ` Pavel Machek
2000-10-31 20:06                                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 20:13                                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:31                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 21:56                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 21:57                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:27                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 23:18                                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:47                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2000-11-01  0:56                                       ` Davide Libenzi
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     [not found]                                         ` <20001101212835.A2425@vger.timpanogas.org>
     [not found]                                           ` <20001102043332.A27126@fuji.laendle>
     [not found]                                             ` <3A0195DA.DDEBAC51@timpanogas.org>
     [not found]                                               ` <20001102194323.D2790@cerebro.laendle>
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     [not found]                                                     ` <3A01E71A.778BD898@timpanogas.org>
     [not found]                                                       ` <20001102232210.H2790@cerebro.laendle>
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2000-11-02 22:46                                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-03  0:12                                                             ` Davide Libenzi
2000-11-02 23:00                                                               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:34                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 21:52                                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:05                                     ` Andi Kleen
2000-10-31 22:23                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:45                                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:44                                           ` David Lang
2000-10-31 22:57                                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:52                                               ` David Lang
2000-10-31 23:02                                           ` Alan Cox
2000-10-31 23:03                                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:08                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 22:59                                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  2:30                                           ` Horst von Brand
2000-10-31 23:05                                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2000-10-31 23:14                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:32                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 23:23                                               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:55                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 23:54                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 22:47                                           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:56                                             ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:55                                               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:10                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2000-11-01  5:38                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2000-11-03  6:42                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2000-10-31 22:59                                     ` Michael H. Warfield
2000-10-31 23:12                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-31 22:28                                       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  5:01                                         ` Peter Samuelson
2000-11-01  5:09                                           ` Larry McVoy
2000-11-01  5:20                                             ` Peter Samuelson
2000-10-30 10:50                           ` Ingo Molnar
2000-10-30  9:40                             ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-30 23:26                 ` David Woodhouse
2000-10-30 23:49                   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 23:34                     ` Roger Larsson
2000-10-31 15:18 ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 20:26   ` Alan Cox
2000-10-31 15:30     ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 20:37       ` Alan Cox
2000-10-31 20:48         ` Jesse Pollard
2000-10-31 20:58           ` Alan Cox
2000-11-01  1:33           ` Horst von Brand
2000-11-01  3:42             ` Jesse Pollard
2000-11-01 13:26               ` Horst von Brand
2000-10-31 21:43     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:50       ` Jeff V. Merkey [this message]
2000-10-31 20:36   ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 15:47     ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 21:05       ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 21:33     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:48       ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 16:54         ` Reto Baettig
2000-10-31 21:58           ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 21:53         ` Jeff V. Merkey
     [not found] <200010300823.BAA19834@vger.timpanogas.org>
2000-10-30  8:36 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:44 Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 21:36 ` Paul Menage
2000-10-31 21:44   ` David S. Miller
2000-10-31 23:21   ` Matti Aarnio
2000-10-31 23:39     ` David Weinehall
2000-10-31 22:05 ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:15   ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:27     ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:38       ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:48         ` Rik van Riel
2000-10-31 22:50           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 22:49         ` Larry McVoy
2000-10-31 22:53           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-10-31 23:15         ` Nathan Paul Simons
2000-10-31 23:20           ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01  0:00             ` Michael H. Warfield
2000-11-01  0:07               ` Alan Cox
2000-11-01  0:13                 ` Michael H. Warfield
2000-11-01  1:30         ` Andrea Arcangeli
     [not found]           ` <20001031183809.C9733@.timpanogas.org>
2000-11-01 15:41             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-01 17:25               ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 17:35                 ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 18:07                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-01 18:34                     ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 21:13                       ` Daniel Phillips
2000-11-01 21:32                         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-01 11:13         ` David Woodhouse
2000-11-01 15:00           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2000-11-01  9:51       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2000-11-01 17:28         ` Jeff V. Merkey
2000-11-02 21:58         ` Anton Altaparmakov

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