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From: David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net>
To: Miles Lane <miles@megapathdsl.net>, Tim Jansen <tim@tjansen.de>
Cc: lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants
Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 09:17:04 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <0a5401c0deec$d06b1260$6800000a@brownell.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <047801c0dd95$231331e0$6800000a@brownell.org> <01051601562302.01000@cookie> <990079966.25105.1.camel@agate>

> > At this point of the discussion I would like to point to the Device Registry 
> > patch (http://www.tjansen.de/devreg) that already solves these problems and 
> > offers stable device ids for the identification of devices and finding their 
> > /dev nodes.
> > 
> > The devreg device id has four components: the bus identifier, the location of 
> > the device (for pci bus number and slot number, for usb the bus number and a 
> > list of port numbers), a model (product and device id) and, if available, a 
> > serial number. 
> 
> Hmm.  It's interesting to me that there have been no replies discussing
> Tim's code.  

I'd want to put it in the context of some of the USB work already done,
and also know how it generalizes to other busses ... 

For example, that usb-devname patch of mine, posted to linux-usb-devel
somewhere around 12/6/2000 (2.4.0-test12), which worked the issue
of teaching USB about "stable" identifiers (like pci slot_name, except
it didn't address functions within device configurations since PCI doesn't
have that notion of "configuration").

Or the patch providing a standard API for USB device drivers to report
what major/minor device numbers are associated with a given interface
(I think it was Alan Barnett who provided that).

Or the original (userspace) XML dump of XML tree structure, shown
at  http://jusb.sourceforge.net/?selected=tree ... it's not clear to me which
structural information there is also found in the "devreg" XML syntax
(from the kernel!), and which isn't.  (Class information omitted from
"devreg"?  Interface structure?)  Most of it's known to be needed.

For example, USB "bus numbers" are themselves unstable identifiers;
PCI slot_name fields work better, at least for host controllers (most!)
which use PCI.  If "devreg" uses "bus numbers", that needs to change.

- Dave



  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-05-17 16:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 319+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-05-15 23:16 LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants David Brownell
2001-05-15 23:35 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-16  0:13   ` David Brownell
2001-05-15 23:56 ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-16  0:41 ` Miles Lane
2001-05-16 16:55   ` James Simmons
2001-05-17  6:12 ` Miles Lane
2001-05-17 12:07   ` Oliver Neukum
2001-05-17 16:34     ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-17 17:03     ` David Brownell
2001-05-17 16:17   ` David Brownell [this message]
2001-05-17 16:56   ` James Simmons
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-05-17 20:00 Brian Wheeler
2001-05-18  8:24 ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-18  8:27   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 14:06   ` Brian Wheeler
2001-05-17  8:58 Andries.Brouwer
2001-05-17  0:18 Andries.Brouwer
2001-05-17  1:18 ` Mike Anderson
2001-05-17  2:46 ` Willem Konynenberg
2001-05-17  9:42   ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-17  0:09 Dunlap, Randy
2001-05-16 15:06 Khachaturov, Vassilii
2001-05-16 13:13 Jesse Pollard
2001-05-16 13:11 mike_phillips
2001-05-18 18:23 ` Mark H. Wood
2001-05-16  9:56 Chemolli Francesco (USI)
2001-05-16 11:18 ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-16 12:09   ` Thomas Kotzian
2001-05-16 18:58     ` Heinz J. Mauelshagen
2001-05-17  6:35       ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-05-17  9:39         ` Guest section DW
2001-05-21  7:16           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-05-18 15:57         ` Heinz J. Mauelshagen
2001-05-16 12:12   ` Oystein Viggen
2001-05-16 12:45     ` Josh Fryman
2001-05-16 13:28     ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-16 18:37       ` Hacksaw
2001-05-16 16:30     ` Miles Lane
2001-05-16 16:18       ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-18 14:17         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-19  5:29           ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-19 16:43             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-19 18:21             ` Hans Reiser
2001-05-19 20:20           ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-21 13:34             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-16 15:14 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16  0:01 Bingner Sam J. Contractor RSIS
2001-05-16 11:08 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-05-15 23:49 Bingner Sam J. Contractor RSIS
2001-05-16  7:10 ` Andrzej Krzysztofowicz
2001-05-16 18:25 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 22:49 David Brownell
2001-05-15 22:21 David Brownell
2001-05-15 23:17 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-15 23:35   ` David Brownell
2001-05-15 23:55   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-17 18:39   ` Mark H. Wood
2001-05-15 21:27 Timothy A. Seufert
2001-05-15 21:38 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-16  7:23 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-16 15:50 ` Mo McKinlay
2001-05-15 21:26 Andrzej Krzysztofowicz
     [not found] <mng==Pine.LNX.4.10.10105151151380.22038-100000@www.transvirtual.com>
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2001-05-15 20:59   ` Jens-Uwe Mager
2001-05-15 17:00 David Balazic
2001-05-16 17:02 ` Hacksaw
2001-05-16 17:19   ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2001-05-16 20:05     ` James Simmons
2001-05-16 20:13       ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2001-05-16 20:16         ` James Simmons
2001-05-16 20:21           ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2001-05-14 19:19 H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 19:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 19:57   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 20:04     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 20:09     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 20:24       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 20:27         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 22:21           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:43             ` Jan Niehusmann
2001-05-14 23:48               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 20:29         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-14 20:55           ` Neil Brown
2001-05-14 21:20             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 21:37               ` Neil Brown
2001-05-14 21:24             ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 21:33               ` Neil Brown
2001-05-15  6:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  8:57               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  9:08                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  9:26                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  9:49                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  9:51                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 10:12                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 10:36                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 15:16                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 20:55                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 15:10                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 15:29                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:21                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 17:25                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:29                           ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 17:32                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:44                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 18:18                                 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-15 18:36                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 18:42                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-16  8:29                                 ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-16 17:16                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:46                               ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 21:50                                 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 18:04                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 18:58                               ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 19:17                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 19:23                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 19:43                                   ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 21:58                                     ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-16  8:51                                     ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-17 10:20                                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-18 17:32                                       ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-19 10:21                                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19  8:18                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 20:40                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 22:46                                   ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 20:03                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 20:06                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:28                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:20                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-15 21:28                                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:31                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:43                                         ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 21:49                                           ` James Simmons
2001-05-16  7:05                                           ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 22:07                                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16  7:11                                         ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-16  7:43                                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-16  9:45                                             ` Malcolm Beattie
2001-05-16  0:59                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-16  1:34                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-16  1:51                                           ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16 11:34                                         ` Erik Mouw
2001-05-17 17:07                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-05-17 19:30                                           ` Jeff Randall
2001-05-16  7:17                                       ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 20:14                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:30                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:41                                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:51                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-16  1:01                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-16  1:04                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:37                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 20:56                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 21:22                                     ` James Simmons
2001-05-17 10:42                                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-18 18:32                                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 20:57                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-17 20:33                                   ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 20:17                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:59                                 ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 22:51                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:22                               ` Jan Harkes
2001-05-15 21:39                               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-05-15 18:02                       ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-15 19:31                       ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 19:37                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:10                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:41                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 21:47                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 22:14                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:24                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 22:27                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:38                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 22:28                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 22:32                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:33                             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16  7:21                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-16 18:22                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 19:36                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 20:01                             ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 20:05                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 20:18                               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-16 20:44                               ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 20:54                               ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 21:36                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 22:11                                   ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-16 22:13                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 22:21                                       ` Jens Axboe
2001-05-16 23:03                                     ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:25                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:37                                       ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:38                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:41                                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:43                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:49                                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:55                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-17 21:12                                             ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 21:06                               ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-16 23:51                             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 23:58                             ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-17  0:12                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-17  0:24                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-17  1:35                               ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-17  9:33                                 ` Guest section DW
2001-05-15 20:58                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:42                       ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 21:46                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 21:57                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:07                             ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 22:11                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:18                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:40                     ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 22:12                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:19                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:28                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:34                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 23:39                         ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-16 20:37                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:49                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 23:22                       ` Kenneth Johansson
2001-05-15  9:28                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 15:15                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 15:19                       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 15:45                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 17:27                           ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 17:43                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 18:04                               ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 18:15                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 19:36                                   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-15 20:18                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 20:26                                       ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-15 22:14                                         ` Miles Lane
2001-05-15 21:29                                       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-05-15 21:36                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 22:03                                         ` Jeff Mahoney
2001-05-15 22:42                                         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-15 21:51                                       ` Mark Frazer
2001-05-15 22:35                                       ` Bob Glamm
2001-05-16  0:56                                       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16  2:31                                         ` Andrew Morton
2001-05-16  6:56                                         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16  8:02                                           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-05-16 12:20                                           ` Bogdan Costescu
2001-05-16 14:37                                           ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16 14:57                                             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-05-16 15:24                                             ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16  7:24                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-16 23:26                                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 23:31                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:53                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-17  0:21                                             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-17  7:57                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-17 16:26                                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-17  6:43                                             ` Thomas Sailer
2001-05-17 16:58                                               ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-17 17:18                                                 ` James Simmons
2001-05-17 17:29                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-17 17:41                                                   ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-17 22:03                                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-05-16 23:52                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-17  1:26                                           ` Joel Becker
2001-05-16 16:04                                       ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-16 21:36                                         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-18  2:18                                     ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-19 17:36                                       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-20  9:37                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-05-20 14:16                                         ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-20 15:54                                         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-20 15:57                                         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-19 17:45                                       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-19  8:42                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 21:23                                   ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 19:33                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-16  7:25                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-15 18:19                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 20:23                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 20:28                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:52                               ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-15 20:02                             ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-15 11:44               ` Neil Brown
2001-05-15 15:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-16  1:00                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-16 12:58                     ` Jens Axboe
2001-05-16  3:25                   ` Neil Brown
2001-05-15 15:51               ` John Fremlin
2001-05-14 21:09           ` Andi Kleen
2001-05-14 21:11           ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-14 21:23             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  0:33               ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-16  9:04                 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-14 21:16           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 22:05             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:30               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 22:48                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:46                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 22:53                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:54                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 23:00                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:58                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:29                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  4:20                             ` God
2001-05-14 23:39                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 23:18                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-14 23:20                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 18:57                           ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15  5:56                         ` Oliver Neukum
2001-05-15  5:59                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 22:55                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:11                         ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-14 23:19                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:23                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  1:10                         ` Keith Owens
2001-05-14 23:34           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 21:18         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:32     ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 20:09 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 20:14   ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 17:37 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-17 11:32   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 15:58 ` Kurt Garloff

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