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From: Josh Fryman <fryman@cc.gatech.edu>
To: Oystein Viggen <oysteivi@tihlde.org>
Cc: Helge Hafting <helgehaf@idb.hist.no>,
	"Chemolli Francesco (USI)" <ChemolliF@GruppoCredit.it>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants
Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 08:45:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B02766E.8F6A040B@cc.gatech.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E504453C04C1D311988D00508B2C5C2DF2F9E1@mail11.gruppocredit.it> <3B0261EC.23BE5EF0@idb.hist.no> <031ypp1oi2.fsf@colargol.tihlde.org>

Oystein Viggen wrote:
> What happens if I insert a hard drive from another computer which also
> has partitions named "home", "usr", and soforth?

not to belabor the obvious, but there are a lot of issues with this
particular approach.  

for those who advocate writing some form of signature into an NVM 
space on each device that can support it (and using this signature 
to appropriately configure the right device), there are obvious
solutions: (1) use a "motherboard serial number" or (2) the infamous
CPU serial number pre-pended to whatever tag for disk/cdrw/etc.
thus, it's easy to know when a device has just been moved within the
same machine, or has been relocated to a new machine.  no conflict
will be found.

for those who are willing to take a step back and look at the big
picture, (a) not every device on the planet has a unique key 
associated with it as many people keep pointing out; (b) not every
device has some area of "user" (eg, not hardware manufacturer) space
that can be programmed that is NVM.  if you have a situation of
BOTH (a) and (b) then you are screwed, period.  use an arbitrary
ordering, as there's no other possible choice - and no way to 
preserve anything.  note that "arbitrary" can just be "sequential
scan of bus + assign based on sequence # found" to get pseudo-logical 
ordering *just as easily* as doing "scan bus + randomly assign"  

if however you can do either (a) or (b), then the problem is solved.

the more interesting question is: for what class of devices does
neither unique-key or storage-NVM exist?  and are they important?

serial ports, for example, are important.  if i am monitoring a UPS
on ttyS0 and it suddenly gets remapped on the next boot to ttyS9,
that would be bad.  likewise printers and such.  but is there any 
kind of unique key or trigger that can be found for them?

  reply	other threads:[~2001-05-16 12:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 319+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-05-16  9:56 LANANA: To Pending Device Number Registrants Chemolli Francesco (USI)
2001-05-16 11:18 ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-16 12:09   ` Thomas Kotzian
2001-05-16 18:58     ` Heinz J. Mauelshagen
2001-05-17  6:35       ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-05-17  9:39         ` Guest section DW
2001-05-21  7:16           ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-05-18 15:57         ` Heinz J. Mauelshagen
2001-05-16 12:12   ` Oystein Viggen
2001-05-16 12:45     ` Josh Fryman [this message]
2001-05-16 13:28     ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-16 18:37       ` Hacksaw
2001-05-16 16:30     ` Miles Lane
2001-05-16 16:18       ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-18 14:17         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-19  5:29           ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-19 16:43             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-19 18:21             ` Hans Reiser
2001-05-19 20:20           ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-21 13:34             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-05-16 15:14 ` Jonathan Lundell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-05-17 20:00 Brian Wheeler
2001-05-18  8:24 ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-18  8:27   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-18 14:06   ` Brian Wheeler
2001-05-17  8:58 Andries.Brouwer
2001-05-17  0:18 Andries.Brouwer
2001-05-17  1:18 ` Mike Anderson
2001-05-17  2:46 ` Willem Konynenberg
2001-05-17  9:42   ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-17  0:09 Dunlap, Randy
2001-05-16 15:06 Khachaturov, Vassilii
2001-05-16 13:13 Jesse Pollard
2001-05-16 13:11 mike_phillips
2001-05-18 18:23 ` Mark H. Wood
2001-05-16  0:01 Bingner Sam J. Contractor RSIS
2001-05-16 11:08 ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-05-15 23:49 Bingner Sam J. Contractor RSIS
2001-05-16  7:10 ` Andrzej Krzysztofowicz
2001-05-16 18:25 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 23:16 David Brownell
2001-05-15 23:35 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-16  0:13   ` David Brownell
2001-05-15 23:56 ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-16  0:41 ` Miles Lane
2001-05-16 16:55   ` James Simmons
2001-05-17  6:12 ` Miles Lane
2001-05-17 12:07   ` Oliver Neukum
2001-05-17 16:34     ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-17 17:03     ` David Brownell
2001-05-17 16:17   ` David Brownell
2001-05-17 16:56   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 22:49 David Brownell
2001-05-15 22:21 David Brownell
2001-05-15 23:17 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-15 23:35   ` David Brownell
2001-05-15 23:55   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-17 18:39   ` Mark H. Wood
2001-05-15 21:27 Timothy A. Seufert
2001-05-15 21:38 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-16  7:23 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-16 15:50 ` Mo McKinlay
2001-05-15 21:26 Andrzej Krzysztofowicz
     [not found] <mng==Pine.LNX.4.10.10105151151380.22038-100000@www.transvirtual.com>
     [not found] ` <mng==Pine.LNX.4.21.0105151043360.2112-100000@penguin.transmeta.com>
2001-05-15 20:59   ` Jens-Uwe Mager
2001-05-15 17:00 David Balazic
2001-05-16 17:02 ` Hacksaw
2001-05-16 17:19   ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2001-05-16 20:05     ` James Simmons
2001-05-16 20:13       ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2001-05-16 20:16         ` James Simmons
2001-05-16 20:21           ` Mathieu Chouquet-Stringer
2001-05-14 19:19 H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 19:36 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 19:57   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 20:04     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 20:09     ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 20:24       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 20:27         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 22:21           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:43             ` Jan Niehusmann
2001-05-14 23:48               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 20:29         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-14 20:55           ` Neil Brown
2001-05-14 21:20             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 21:37               ` Neil Brown
2001-05-14 21:24             ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-14 21:33               ` Neil Brown
2001-05-15  6:41             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  8:57               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  9:08                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15  9:26                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  9:49                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  9:51                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 10:12                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 10:36                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 15:16                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 20:55                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 15:10                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 15:29                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:21                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 17:25                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:29                           ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 17:32                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 17:44                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 18:18                                 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-15 18:36                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 18:42                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-16  8:29                                 ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-16 17:16                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:46                               ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 21:50                                 ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 18:04                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 18:58                               ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 19:17                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 19:23                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 19:43                                   ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 21:58                                     ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-16  8:51                                     ` Helge Hafting
2001-05-17 10:20                                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-18 17:32                                       ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-19 10:21                                         ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-19  8:18                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 20:40                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 22:46                                   ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 20:03                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 20:06                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:28                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:20                                     ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-15 21:28                                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:31                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:43                                         ` Johannes Erdfelt
2001-05-15 21:49                                           ` James Simmons
2001-05-16  7:05                                           ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 22:07                                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16  7:11                                         ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-16  7:43                                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-16  9:45                                             ` Malcolm Beattie
2001-05-16  0:59                                       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-16  1:34                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2001-05-16  1:51                                           ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16 11:34                                         ` Erik Mouw
2001-05-17 17:07                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-05-17 19:30                                           ` Jeff Randall
2001-05-16  7:17                                       ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 20:14                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:30                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:41                                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 20:51                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-16  1:01                                         ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-16  1:04                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:37                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 20:56                                     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 21:22                                     ` James Simmons
2001-05-17 10:42                                     ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-18 18:32                                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 20:57                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-17 20:33                                   ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 20:17                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:59                                 ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 22:51                                   ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 21:22                               ` Jan Harkes
2001-05-15 21:39                               ` Martin Dalecki
2001-05-15 18:02                       ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-15 19:31                       ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 19:37                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 20:10                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:41                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 21:47                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 22:14                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:24                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 22:27                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:38                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 22:28                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-15 22:32                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:33                             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16  7:21                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-16 18:22                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 19:36                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 20:01                             ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 20:05                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 20:18                               ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-16 20:44                               ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 20:54                               ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 21:36                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 22:11                                   ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-16 22:13                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 22:21                                       ` Jens Axboe
2001-05-16 23:03                                     ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:25                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:37                                       ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:38                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:41                                         ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:43                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:49                                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-16 23:55                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-17 21:12                                             ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 21:06                               ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-16 23:51                             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 23:58                             ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-17  0:12                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-17  0:24                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-17  1:35                               ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-17  9:33                                 ` Guest section DW
2001-05-15 20:58                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:42                       ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 21:46                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15 21:57                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:07                             ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 22:11                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:18                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 21:40                     ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-15 22:12                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:19                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 22:28                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:34                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 23:39                         ` Chip Salzenberg
2001-05-16 20:37                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 22:49                       ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 23:22                       ` Kenneth Johansson
2001-05-15  9:28                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 15:15                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 15:19                       ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 15:45                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 17:27                           ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 17:43                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 18:04                               ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 18:15                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 19:36                                   ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-15 20:18                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 20:26                                       ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-15 22:14                                         ` Miles Lane
2001-05-15 21:29                                       ` Alex Bligh - linux-kernel
2001-05-15 21:36                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-15 22:03                                         ` Jeff Mahoney
2001-05-15 22:42                                         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-15 21:51                                       ` Mark Frazer
2001-05-15 22:35                                       ` Bob Glamm
2001-05-16  0:56                                       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16  2:31                                         ` Andrew Morton
2001-05-16  6:56                                         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16  8:02                                           ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-05-16 12:20                                           ` Bogdan Costescu
2001-05-16 14:37                                           ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16 14:57                                             ` Vojtech Pavlik
2001-05-16 15:24                                             ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-16  7:24                                       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-16 23:26                                         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 23:31                                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-16 23:53                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-17  0:21                                             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-17  7:57                                               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-17 16:26                                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-17  6:43                                             ` Thomas Sailer
2001-05-17 16:58                                               ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-17 17:18                                                 ` James Simmons
2001-05-17 17:29                                                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-17 17:41                                                   ` Tim Jansen
2001-05-17 22:03                                                 ` Oliver Neukum
2001-05-16 23:52                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-17  1:26                                           ` Joel Becker
2001-05-16 16:04                                       ` Michael Meissner
2001-05-16 21:36                                         ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-18  2:18                                     ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-19 17:36                                       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-20  9:37                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-05-20 14:16                                         ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-05-20 15:54                                         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-20 15:57                                         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-19 17:45                                       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-05-19  8:42                                     ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-17 21:23                                   ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15 19:33                                 ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-16  7:25                                 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2001-05-15 18:19                               ` James Simmons
2001-05-15 20:23                               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 20:28                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-15 21:52                               ` Andreas Dilger
2001-05-15 20:02                             ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-15 11:44               ` Neil Brown
2001-05-15 15:34                 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-05-16  1:00                   ` Daniel Phillips
2001-05-16 12:58                     ` Jens Axboe
2001-05-16  3:25                   ` Neil Brown
2001-05-15 15:51               ` John Fremlin
2001-05-14 21:09           ` Andi Kleen
2001-05-14 21:11           ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-14 21:23             ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15  0:33               ` Rik van Riel
2001-05-16  9:04                 ` Ingo Oeser
2001-05-14 21:16           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 22:05             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:30               ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 22:48                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:46                   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 22:53                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:54                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 23:00                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-14 22:58                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:29                             ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  4:20                             ` God
2001-05-14 23:39                           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 23:18                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2001-05-14 23:20                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-15 18:57                           ` Kai Henningsen
2001-05-15  5:56                         ` Oliver Neukum
2001-05-15  5:59                           ` H. Peter Anvin
2001-05-14 22:55                       ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:11                         ` Dan Hollis
2001-05-14 23:19                           ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:23                         ` Alexander Viro
2001-05-15  1:10                         ` Keith Owens
2001-05-14 23:34           ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 21:18         ` Alan Cox
2001-05-14 23:32     ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 20:09 ` Richard Gooch
2001-05-14 20:14   ` Jeff Garzik
2001-05-15 17:37 ` Pavel Machek
2001-05-17 11:32   ` Alan Cox
2001-05-16 15:58 ` Kurt Garloff

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