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From: Rob Wilkens <robw@optonline.net>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
	Larry Sendlosky <Larry.Sendlosky@storigen.com>,
	Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently"
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 21:55:58 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1042253757.1259.66.camel@RobsPC.RobertWilkens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1042255571.32431.43.camel@irongate.swansea.linux.org.uk>

On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 22:26, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-01-11 at 02:07, Larry McVoy wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 10, 2003 at 08:58:44PM -0500, Rob Wilkens wrote:
> > > If I had been familiar with UNIX
> > > at the time I had those books, I might've written ROBIX ...
> > 
> > If I had ham, I could make ham and eggs, if I had some eggs.
> 
> Its not ham you need its utter arrogance and a complete lack of understanding
> that writing an OS is a seriously hard problem. There is a whole world of
> mysticism around the concept of a 'beginners mind' although to me
> "Im sorry nobody told me it was impossible" sums it up far better.

It depends what you're starting with, and what your goals are.

If your goal is to write an operating system that runs on all hardware
and does everything for everyone, then, yes, impossible would seem to
fit.

But what I was writing about specifically said that I've read the book
dissecting dos in the distant past, as mentioned, and the slightly
thicker book, writing your own 32-bit operating system, again in the
distant past, and I've written dos-based interrupt handlers to use a
mouse in a dos text app, and I've taken college courses in operating
systems design and implementation, and even back in 1996 I've taken a
course specifically on Linux implementation (a kernel hacking class).  

Had my goal at the time been as simple as Linus' goal was an been to
just get a simple terminal emulator and grow it slowly, I don't think
impossible would have described the task.  I think "a project that I do
in my spare time and show to nobody" would more likely have described
it.

-Rob


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-01-11  2:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-01-10 15:29 Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" Larry Sendlosky
2003-01-11  1:58 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  2:07   ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11  2:13     ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  2:17       ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11  2:38         ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  2:41           ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11  2:46             ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 21:44           ` Kurt Garloff
2003-01-11 21:53             ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 22:16               ` Chief Gadgeteer
2003-01-11 22:26               ` Kurt Garloff
2003-01-11 23:23                 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12  3:33                   ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-12  3:43                     ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12  4:19                     ` David Schwartz
2003-01-13 13:51                       ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-12  4:00                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-12  4:04                     ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12  7:47                     ` Chuck Wolber
2003-01-12 14:42                       ` Intel And Kenrel Programming (was: Nvidia is a great company) Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12 16:45                         ` Alan Cox
2003-01-12 16:58                           ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12 17:54                             ` Alan Cox
2003-01-12 19:30                               ` Intel And Kenrel Programming Samuli Suonpaa
2003-01-12 19:46                           ` Intel And Kenrel Programming (was: Nvidia is a great company) Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-11 22:36               ` Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" Vojtech Pavlik
2003-01-11 22:57                 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12  1:06                   ` The GPL, the kernel, and everything else Ryan Anderson
2003-01-12  4:15                     ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12  4:21                       ` David Lang
2003-01-12  4:55                         ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12  5:10                           ` David Lang
2003-01-12  5:45                             ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12  5:12                           ` Stephen Satchell
2003-01-16 16:28                       ` Mark H. Wood
2003-01-16 16:41                         ` venom
2003-01-16 18:22                         ` John Alvord
2003-01-12 11:13                   ` Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" Andrew McGregor
2003-01-12  1:44               ` [OT] Noise on lkml (was Re: Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently") J Sloan
2003-01-12  3:18                 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12  4:08                   ` Scott Murray
2003-01-11  3:26     ` Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" Alan Cox
2003-01-11  2:54       ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11  2:58         ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  3:11           ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-01-11  3:14             ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  3:16           ` John Adams
2003-01-11  3:35             ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  3:48               ` Hans Sgier
2003-01-11  3:55                 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  4:41               ` J Sloan
2003-01-11  4:44                 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  5:09                   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-11  5:12                   ` OT: Renaming the kernel??!?!?!? (Was Re: Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently") Brian Davids
2003-01-11 15:57                   ` Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" Tom Sightler
2003-01-11  3:27           ` Brian Tinsley
     [not found]             ` <1042256385.1259.106.camel@RobsPC.RobertWilkens.com>
2003-01-11  4:16               ` Brian Tinsley
2003-01-11  3:52           ` yodaiken
2003-01-11  4:05             ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  5:45               ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-11  6:01           ` Tomas Szepe
2003-01-11 15:03             ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 19:41               ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-11 21:18                 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  6:32         ` Ryan Anderson
2003-01-11  2:55       ` Rob Wilkens [this message]
2003-01-11  3:20   ` Tom Sightler
2003-01-11 19:48     ` Mark Mielke
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-01-15 20:08 Thomas Hood
2003-01-15 20:25 ` Mark Hounschell
     [not found] <20030112070914.AAA21737%shell.webmaster.com@whenever>
2003-01-12 14:40 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12  7:13 David Schwartz
2003-01-12  6:16 Mark Mielke
2003-01-12  7:09 ` David Schwartz
     [not found] <fa.gm4r3cv.1r4avpq@ifi.uio.no>
     [not found] ` <fa.hq6mucv.l4qg1c@ifi.uio.no>
2003-01-08 15:02   ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2003-01-08 20:53     ` Jon Portnoy
2003-01-09 23:13     ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 23:45       ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-05  8:02 Albert D. Cahalan
2003-01-06 17:13 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-06 17:37   ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-06 19:40     ` Steven Barnhart
2003-01-06 23:33     ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-07 15:47       ` Disconnect
2003-01-07 13:40     ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-07 14:26       ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-08  8:00         ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-08 13:51           ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-09 23:14             ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 23:24               ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11  0:21                 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-10  5:33               ` Oliver Xymoron
2003-01-10  6:07                 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-10  6:31                   ` Miles Bader
2003-01-10 14:17                 ` Charles Cazabon
2003-01-11  1:36                 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11  4:06                   ` John Jasen
2003-01-11  7:13                     ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-08 21:29           ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-09  2:26           ` Vlad@Vlad.geekizoid.com
2003-01-09  8:57             ` John Alvord
2003-01-10  9:52               ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-10 16:05                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-10 18:41                 ` Rogier Wolff
2003-01-12 11:55                   ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-12 12:27                     ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-13 14:32                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-13 17:09                       ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-13 17:22                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-13 17:37                           ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-13 18:48                             ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-14 18:55                               ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-14 19:06                                 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-14 21:32                                   ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-15 12:44                                   ` Gaël Le Mignot
2003-01-14 22:20                                 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2003-01-13 17:51                           ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-14 18:54                             ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 23:14             ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 23:39               ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-07 16:18       ` Dimitrie O. Paun
2003-01-08  2:29         ` Miles Bader
2003-01-09  7:28         ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09  6:44           ` Dimitrie O. Paun
2003-01-03 22:24 Shureih, Tariq
2003-01-03 23:06 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-03 21:52 Steven Barnhart
2003-01-04  0:18 ` Florian Weimer
2003-01-03 21:50 NVidia " Steven Barnhart
2003-01-03 20:31 Nvidia " Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 21:20 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-03 21:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-01-03 21:32   ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-03 22:09   ` Ranjeet Shetye
2003-01-04  0:02     ` Lionel Bouton
2003-01-03 22:59   ` Måns Rullgård
2003-01-04 23:45   ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-04  4:37 ` Mark Rutherford
2003-01-01  2:41 Hell.Surfers
2003-01-01  9:36 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-02 18:38   ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-02 18:49     ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-02 19:02     ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-02 19:31     ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-03  7:50       ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-03  7:56         ` Mark Hahn
2003-01-03 20:30           ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 11:17         ` venom
2003-01-03 11:49           ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-03 13:11             ` venom
2003-01-03 14:58             ` Bill Davidsen
2003-01-03 15:25               ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-03 15:48                 ` Hugo Mills
2003-01-03 20:30           ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-03  1:01     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-03  7:50       ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-04 22:14     ` Matthias Andree

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