From: venom@sns.it
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: mark@mark.mielke.cc, <efault@gmx.de>, <Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently"
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2003 12:17:29 +0100 (CET) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.43.0301031208260.3887-100000@cibs9.sns.it> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E18UMb1-0001Zo-00@fencepost.gnu.org>
On Fri, 3 Jan 2003, Richard Stallman wrote:
> Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 02:50:23 -0500
> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
> To: mark@mark.mielke.cc
> Cc: efault@gmx.de, Hell.Surfers@cwctv.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
> Subject: Re: Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently"
>
> Actually, since Linux is the kernel, and GNU/Linux (or GNU+Linux) is
> the collection of tools that make the full system,
>
> That's almost correct, but not quite. GNU/Linux is the whole system,
> the combination of GNU and Linux.
err, excuse me, but where are XFree86 or KDE and so on?
they are not included in the GNU, I suppose.
So we should talk about Xfree86/KDE/GNU/whatever/Linux... too long...
should we focus just on what is mandatory for a basic networked system?
Basically, I could use a libc4/5 based system, withouth gcc and so on, with BSD
inetutils and BSD fileutils (ls cp and so on), ksh anc csh as shells, and linux
kernel.
How should I call this system? (and I have also
systems not running glibc right now, depending on when I installed them.)
I can understand your reasons, and I can also agree with them, but
I am quite impressed reading a nominalistic discussion on lkml, with almost the
same argumentations and logical plant of medioeval nominalistic
syllogismi.
It is quite interesting, the story of culture is quite a wheel, and
people mental attitude, storically, seems to be recurisive (not evolutionary).
Luigi
>
> Many people think GNU is a collection of tools, because the best known
> among the programs we developed for GNU are tools. We also developed
> other programs for GNU that are not tools. But GNU is not just a
> collection of various programs; it's an operating system which in 1992
> was mostly complete. (See http://www.gnu.org/gnu/the-gnu-project.html.)
>
> it would be
> *inaccurate* to say anything but "Linux" when talking about "Linux,
> the operating system."
>
> The term "operating system" has sometimes been used with the same
> meaning as "kernel", but nowadays when people speak of operating
> systems they typically mean complete systems such as HPUX, Solaris,
> Windows, MacOS, GNU, and GNU/Linux.
>
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Thread overview: 141+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-01-01 2:41 Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" Hell.Surfers
2003-01-01 9:36 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-02 18:38 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-02 18:49 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-02 19:02 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-02 19:31 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-03 7:50 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 7:56 ` Mark Hahn
2003-01-03 20:30 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 11:17 ` venom [this message]
2003-01-03 11:49 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-03 13:11 ` venom
2003-01-03 14:58 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-01-03 15:25 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-03 15:48 ` Hugo Mills
2003-01-03 20:30 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 1:01 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-03 7:50 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-04 22:14 ` Matthias Andree
2003-03-10 7:44 ` aacraid (dell PERC) cannot handle a degraded mirror Josh Brooks
2003-03-11 0:22 ` Alan Cox
2003-03-11 10:18 ` Josh Brooks
2003-01-03 20:31 Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 21:20 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-03 21:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-01-03 21:32 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-03 22:09 ` Ranjeet Shetye
2003-01-04 0:02 ` Lionel Bouton
2003-01-03 22:59 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-01-04 23:45 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-04 4:37 ` Mark Rutherford
2003-01-03 21:50 NVidia " Steven Barnhart
2003-01-03 21:52 Nvidia " Steven Barnhart
2003-01-04 0:18 ` Florian Weimer
2003-01-03 22:24 Shureih, Tariq
2003-01-03 23:06 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-05 8:02 Albert D. Cahalan
2003-01-06 17:13 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-06 17:37 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-06 19:40 ` Steven Barnhart
2003-01-06 23:33 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-07 15:47 ` Disconnect
2003-01-07 13:40 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-07 14:26 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-08 8:00 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-08 13:51 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-09 23:14 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 23:24 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11 0:21 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-10 5:33 ` Oliver Xymoron
2003-01-10 6:07 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-10 6:31 ` Miles Bader
2003-01-10 14:17 ` Charles Cazabon
2003-01-11 1:36 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 4:06 ` John Jasen
2003-01-11 7:13 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-08 21:29 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-09 2:26 ` Vlad@Vlad.geekizoid.com
2003-01-09 8:57 ` John Alvord
2003-01-10 9:52 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-10 16:05 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-10 18:41 ` Rogier Wolff
2003-01-12 11:55 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-12 12:27 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-13 14:32 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-13 17:09 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-13 17:22 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-13 17:37 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-13 18:48 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-14 18:55 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-14 19:06 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-14 21:32 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-15 12:44 ` Gaël Le Mignot
2003-01-14 22:20 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2003-01-13 17:51 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-14 18:54 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 23:14 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 23:39 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-07 16:18 ` Dimitrie O. Paun
2003-01-08 2:29 ` Miles Bader
2003-01-09 7:28 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 6:44 ` Dimitrie O. Paun
[not found] <fa.gm4r3cv.1r4avpq@ifi.uio.no>
[not found] ` <fa.hq6mucv.l4qg1c@ifi.uio.no>
2003-01-08 15:02 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2003-01-08 20:53 ` Jon Portnoy
2003-01-09 23:13 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 23:45 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-10 15:29 Larry Sendlosky
2003-01-11 1:58 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 2:07 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11 2:13 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 2:17 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11 2:38 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 2:41 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11 2:46 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 21:44 ` Kurt Garloff
2003-01-11 21:53 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 22:16 ` Chief Gadgeteer
2003-01-11 22:26 ` Kurt Garloff
2003-01-11 23:23 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12 3:33 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-12 3:43 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12 4:19 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-13 13:51 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-12 4:00 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-12 4:04 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12 7:47 ` Chuck Wolber
2003-01-11 22:36 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-01-11 22:57 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12 11:13 ` Andrew McGregor
2003-01-11 3:26 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-11 2:54 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11 2:58 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 3:11 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-01-11 3:14 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 3:16 ` John Adams
2003-01-11 3:35 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 3:48 ` Hans Sgier
2003-01-11 3:55 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 4:41 ` J Sloan
2003-01-11 4:44 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 5:09 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-11 15:57 ` Tom Sightler
2003-01-11 3:27 ` Brian Tinsley
[not found] ` <1042256385.1259.106.camel@RobsPC.RobertWilkens.com>
2003-01-11 4:16 ` Brian Tinsley
2003-01-11 3:52 ` yodaiken
2003-01-11 4:05 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 5:45 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-11 6:01 ` Tomas Szepe
2003-01-11 15:03 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 19:41 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-11 21:18 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 6:32 ` Ryan Anderson
2003-01-11 2:55 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 3:20 ` Tom Sightler
2003-01-11 19:48 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-12 6:16 Mark Mielke
2003-01-12 7:09 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-12 7:13 David Schwartz
[not found] <20030112070914.AAA21737%shell.webmaster.com@whenever>
2003-01-12 14:40 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-15 20:08 Thomas Hood
2003-01-15 20:25 ` Mark Hounschell
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