From: Rob Wilkens <robw@optonline.net>
To: yodaiken@fsmlabs.com
Cc: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Larry Sendlosky <Larry.Sendlosky@storigen.com>,
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently"
Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2003 23:05:29 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1042257928.1278.147.camel@RobsPC.RobertWilkens.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030110205203.A30604@hq.fsmlabs.com>
On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 22:52, yodaiken@fsmlabs.com wrote:
> "fortune". Nearly anyone can pick this up. Val Henson's mom even
Writing fortune is probably far more complicated than writing the
kernel. By that, of course, I mean writing the individual fortunes
which fortune spits out
It's also more useful. The kernel, by itself, does nothing. It's like
saying "the cpu is the most important part of the computer". Yeah, but
without the a bios, what can you do with it? (Actually, a lot, if you
can bootstrap the OS by other means, but you need hardware engineers to
help you with that, and I've done it.)
An OS is just another layer in the onion.. What's nice is that in an
ideal world, that software follows standards.. Linux is still trying to
find it's way in that respect it seems (for example, today I found that
my 2.4 oss sound driver no longer works just right in the 2.5 kernel nor
is it likely to be supported in the future since some SuSE specific
sound system is replacing it -- I guess SuSE gave Torvalds some stock
options or similar.) Also, the once perfectly functioning nvidia kernel
driver (the subject of this message) no longer works in newer kernels --
whereas if there were a standard interface for such things, nvidia could
freely keep their source closed while providing a driver that would
solve people's problems.
At least windows a few years back standardized on the wdm (windows
driver model) whereby there was a standard interface for what a driver
looked like and what it's interface to the kernel was (whether the
platform was the dos-based windows 9x or NT-based Windows 2000/XP).
This is not to say that I'm "trolling" by extolling the virtues of
windows over linux.. I'm just pointing out what I know in this area.
-Rob
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2003-01-11 3:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 158+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-01-10 15:29 Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" Larry Sendlosky
2003-01-11 1:58 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 2:07 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11 2:13 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 2:17 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11 2:38 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 2:41 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11 2:46 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 21:44 ` Kurt Garloff
2003-01-11 21:53 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 22:16 ` Chief Gadgeteer
2003-01-11 22:26 ` Kurt Garloff
2003-01-11 23:23 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12 3:33 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-12 3:43 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12 4:19 ` David Schwartz
2003-01-13 13:51 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-12 4:00 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-12 4:04 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12 7:47 ` Chuck Wolber
2003-01-12 14:42 ` Intel And Kenrel Programming (was: Nvidia is a great company) Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12 16:45 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-12 16:58 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12 17:54 ` Alan Cox
2003-01-12 19:30 ` Intel And Kenrel Programming Samuli Suonpaa
2003-01-12 19:46 ` Intel And Kenrel Programming (was: Nvidia is a great company) Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-11 22:36 ` Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" Vojtech Pavlik
2003-01-11 22:57 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12 1:06 ` The GPL, the kernel, and everything else Ryan Anderson
2003-01-12 4:15 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12 4:21 ` David Lang
2003-01-12 4:55 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12 5:10 ` David Lang
2003-01-12 5:45 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12 5:12 ` Stephen Satchell
2003-01-16 16:28 ` Mark H. Wood
2003-01-16 16:41 ` venom
2003-01-16 18:22 ` John Alvord
2003-01-12 11:13 ` Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" Andrew McGregor
2003-01-12 1:44 ` [OT] Noise on lkml (was Re: Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently") J Sloan
2003-01-12 3:18 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12 4:08 ` Scott Murray
2003-01-11 3:26 ` Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" Alan Cox
2003-01-11 2:54 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11 2:58 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 3:11 ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-01-11 3:14 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 3:16 ` John Adams
2003-01-11 3:35 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 3:48 ` Hans Sgier
2003-01-11 3:55 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 4:41 ` J Sloan
2003-01-11 4:44 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 5:09 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-11 5:12 ` OT: Renaming the kernel??!?!?!? (Was Re: Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently") Brian Davids
2003-01-11 15:57 ` Nvidia and its choice to read the GPL "differently" Tom Sightler
2003-01-11 3:27 ` Brian Tinsley
[not found] ` <1042256385.1259.106.camel@RobsPC.RobertWilkens.com>
2003-01-11 4:16 ` Brian Tinsley
2003-01-11 3:52 ` yodaiken
2003-01-11 4:05 ` Rob Wilkens [this message]
2003-01-11 5:45 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-01-11 6:01 ` Tomas Szepe
2003-01-11 15:03 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 19:41 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-11 21:18 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 6:32 ` Ryan Anderson
2003-01-11 2:55 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 3:20 ` Tom Sightler
2003-01-11 19:48 ` Mark Mielke
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-01-15 20:08 Thomas Hood
2003-01-15 20:25 ` Mark Hounschell
[not found] <20030112070914.AAA21737%shell.webmaster.com@whenever>
2003-01-12 14:40 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-12 7:13 David Schwartz
2003-01-12 6:16 Mark Mielke
2003-01-12 7:09 ` David Schwartz
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[not found] ` <fa.hq6mucv.l4qg1c@ifi.uio.no>
2003-01-08 15:02 ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2003-01-08 20:53 ` Jon Portnoy
2003-01-09 23:13 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 23:45 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-05 8:02 Albert D. Cahalan
2003-01-06 17:13 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-06 17:37 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-06 19:40 ` Steven Barnhart
2003-01-06 23:33 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-07 15:47 ` Disconnect
2003-01-07 13:40 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-07 14:26 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-08 8:00 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-08 13:51 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-09 23:14 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 23:24 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-11 0:21 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-10 5:33 ` Oliver Xymoron
2003-01-10 6:07 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-10 6:31 ` Miles Bader
2003-01-10 14:17 ` Charles Cazabon
2003-01-11 1:36 ` Rob Wilkens
2003-01-11 4:06 ` John Jasen
2003-01-11 7:13 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-08 21:29 ` Matthias Andree
2003-01-09 2:26 ` Vlad@Vlad.geekizoid.com
2003-01-09 8:57 ` John Alvord
2003-01-10 9:52 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-10 16:05 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-01-10 18:41 ` Rogier Wolff
2003-01-12 11:55 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-12 12:27 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-13 14:32 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-13 17:09 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-13 17:22 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-13 17:37 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-01-13 18:48 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-14 18:55 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-14 19:06 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-14 21:32 ` Andre Hedrick
2003-01-15 12:44 ` Gaël Le Mignot
2003-01-14 22:20 ` Tomasz Kłoczko
2003-01-13 17:51 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-14 18:54 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 23:14 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 23:39 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-07 16:18 ` Dimitrie O. Paun
2003-01-08 2:29 ` Miles Bader
2003-01-09 7:28 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-09 6:44 ` Dimitrie O. Paun
2003-01-03 22:24 Shureih, Tariq
2003-01-03 23:06 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-03 21:52 Steven Barnhart
2003-01-04 0:18 ` Florian Weimer
2003-01-03 21:50 NVidia " Steven Barnhart
2003-01-03 20:31 Nvidia " Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 21:20 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-03 21:28 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-01-03 21:32 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-03 22:09 ` Ranjeet Shetye
2003-01-04 0:02 ` Lionel Bouton
2003-01-03 22:59 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-01-04 23:45 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-04 4:37 ` Mark Rutherford
2003-01-01 2:41 Hell.Surfers
2003-01-01 9:36 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-02 18:38 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-02 18:49 ` Larry McVoy
2003-01-02 19:02 ` Richard B. Johnson
2003-01-02 19:31 ` Mark Mielke
2003-01-03 7:50 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 7:56 ` Mark Hahn
2003-01-03 20:30 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 11:17 ` venom
2003-01-03 11:49 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-03 13:11 ` venom
2003-01-03 14:58 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-01-03 15:25 ` Andrew Walrond
2003-01-03 15:48 ` Hugo Mills
2003-01-03 20:30 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-03 1:01 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-01-03 7:50 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-04 22:14 ` Matthias Andree
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