From: Ian Kumlien <pomac@vapor.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
Subject: Re: [Bug 623] New: Volume not remembered.
Date: 24 Apr 2003 02:31:56 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1051144315.2199.22.camel@big.pomac.com> (raw)
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On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 00:30:16 +0200, Martin J. Bligh wrote:
>> Yes, but that's a user space problem too. Nothing prevents your
>> distribution to crank up the volume to 100% also on a first-time
>> installation.
>
> 100% would be stupid too. If the distro can pick a reasonable value, the
> kernel can too. Thus the argument "push the problem into userspace"
> doesn't do anything for me.
100% isn't good. F.ex. emu10k1 cards would lead to more bugreports since
you get clipping with that volume.
>> The kernel should pick a value that's safe in all cases. And this is
>> zero. Don't forget that there can be several seconds between the
>> driver's initialization and the moment when the user-space utility gets
>> to change the settings.
>
> So if people want 0 volume for some reason, they can set *that* in
> userspace. Windows can manage to do this without cocking it up. I don't
> see why we can't achieve it.
Which is stupid, since you need it zero before it can get to userspace.
(see the examples) And i know windows users who hates windows
soundcontrol since it plays a lame sound at boot up and you can't lower
the volume there (yes, easy workaround, but the same thing).
But, imho:
PCM should not be 0, Setting main volume to 0 is good, but seeing the
common user getting there might be a problem.
Imagine:
Joe User installs Joe-Distro and starts xmms, now, with the default
config you change the 'master' volume but pcm is still 0. This is
something that will/could/might/etc cause reports like that.
Problem is, emu10k1 is good somewhere on the lines of 90% when it comes
to pcm... I dunno if other cards has simular issues.
Change PCM (and simular) if anything, changing master will only cause
problems, as seen.
CC, since I'm not on this ml.
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Ian Kumlien <pomac@vapor.com>
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Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2003-04-24 0:31 Ian Kumlien [this message]
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2003-04-23 16:23 [Bug 623] New: Volume not remembered Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 16:32 ` Marc Giger
2003-04-23 16:45 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-23 16:56 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 17:21 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-23 13:26 ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-23 17:26 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 17:45 ` Disconnect
2003-04-23 17:47 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-23 18:44 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 17:49 ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-23 18:56 ` Jörn Engel
2003-04-23 22:17 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-23 22:35 ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-23 22:55 ` Pavel Machek
2003-04-24 2:19 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 2:29 ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-24 2:34 ` Ben Collins
2003-04-24 7:22 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 13:31 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 4:30 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-04-23 23:15 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 21:34 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-23 21:36 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 22:14 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-23 22:18 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-23 22:55 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 0:11 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 0:43 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 1:11 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 1:18 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24 1:22 ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-24 2:11 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 2:40 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24 3:37 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 4:47 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-24 13:16 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 7:14 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 13:38 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 13:49 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-24 14:08 ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-24 14:34 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-24 15:04 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 15:23 ` Matthias Schniedermeyer
2003-04-24 16:01 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 16:26 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2003-04-24 21:22 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25 10:03 ` Jaroslav Kysela
2003-04-25 10:30 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-24 21:36 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-04-24 23:55 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25 0:05 ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-25 10:41 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25 10:04 ` Alan Cox
2003-04-25 17:44 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-04-25 17:59 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-04-26 0:31 ` Pat Suwalski
2003-04-24 22:51 ` Pavel Machek
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