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From: "Stephen C. Tweedie" <sct@redhat.com>
To: Mingming Cao <cmm@us.ibm.com>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>, Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Stephen Tweedie <sct@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: ext3 allocate-with-reservation latencies
Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 10:51:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1112781070.1981.34.camel@sisko.sctweedie.blueyonder.co.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1112765751.3874.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

On Wed, 2005-04-06 at 06:35, Mingming Cao wrote:

> It seems we are holding the rsv_block while searching the bitmap for a
> free bit.  

Probably something to avoid!

> In alloc_new_reservation(), we first find a available to
> create a reservation window, then we check the bitmap to see if it
> contains any free block. If not, we will search for next available
> window, so on and on. During the whole process we are holding the global
> rsv_lock.  We could, and probably should, avoid that.  Just unlock the
> rsv_lock before the bitmap search and re-grab it after it.  We need to
> make sure that the available space that are still available after we re-
> grab the lock. 

Not necessarily.  As long as the windows remain mutually exclusive in
the rbtree, it doesn't matter too much if we occasionally allocate a
full one --- as long as that case is rare, the worst that happens is
that we fail to allocate from the window and have to repeat the window
reserve.

The difficulty will be in keeping it rare.  What we need to avoid is the
case where multiple tasks need a new window, they all drop the lock,
find the same bits free in the bitmap, then all try to take that
window.  One will succeed, the others will fail; but as the files in
that bit of the disk continue to grow, we risk those processes
*continually* repeating the same stomp-on-each-others'-windows operation
and raising the allocation overhead significantly.

> Another option is to hold that available window before we release the
> rsv_lock, and if there is no free bit inside that window, we will remove
> it from the tree in the next round of searching for next available
> window.

Possible, but not necessarily nice.  If you've got a nearly-full disk,
most bits will be already allocated.  As you scan the bitmaps, it may
take quite a while to find a free bit; do you really want to (a) lock
the whole block group with a temporary window just to do the scan, or
(b) keep allocating multiple smaller windows until you finally find a
free bit?  The former is bad for concurrency if you have multiple tasks
trying to allocate nearby on disk --- you'll force them into different
block groups.  The latter is high overhead.

--Stephen


  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-06  9:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-05  3:51 ext3 allocate-with-reservation latencies Lee Revell
2005-04-05  4:13 ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-05  6:10   ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-05 16:38     ` Lee Revell
2005-04-06  5:35   ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-06  9:51     ` Stephen C. Tweedie [this message]
2005-04-06 16:53       ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-06 18:22         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2005-04-06 19:03           ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-07  8:14     ` Ingo Molnar
2005-04-07 13:08       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2005-04-07 19:16         ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-07 23:37         ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-08 14:40           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2005-04-08 16:06             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-04-08 18:10             ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-08 18:12               ` Lee Revell
2005-04-11 11:48               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2005-04-11 18:38                 ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-11 19:12                   ` Lee Revell
2005-04-11 19:22                     ` Lee Revell
2005-04-11 19:57                   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2005-04-12  6:41                     ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-12 11:18                       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2005-04-12 23:27                         ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-13 10:29                           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
     [not found]                             ` <1113597161.3899.80.camel@localhost.localdomain>
2005-04-18 18:00                               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2005-04-18 21:56                                 ` [Ext2-devel] " Mingming Cao
2005-04-22 22:10                             ` [RFC][PATCH] Reduce ext3 allocate-with-reservation lock latencies Mingming Cao
2005-04-28  3:45                               ` Lee Revell
2005-04-28  7:37                                 ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-28 16:12                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-04-28 18:34                                     ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-29  6:18                                       ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-28 19:14                                 ` [RFC] Adding multiple block allocation to current ext3 Mingming Cao
2005-04-29 13:52                                   ` [Ext2-devel] [RFC] Adding multiple block allocation Suparna Bhattacharya
2005-04-29 17:10                                     ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-29 19:42                                       ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-29 20:57                                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-29 21:12                                           ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-29 21:34                                             ` Andrew Morton
2005-04-30 16:00                                       ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2005-04-29 18:45                                     ` Badari Pulavarty
2005-04-29 23:22                                       ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-30 16:10                                         ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2005-04-30 17:11                                           ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2005-04-30 18:07                                             ` Mingming Cao
2005-05-02  4:46                                               ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2005-04-30 16:52                                       ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2005-04-30  0:33                                     ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-30  0:44                                     ` Mingming Cao
2005-04-30 17:03                                       ` Suparna Bhattacharya
2006-01-10 23:26                                   ` [PATCH 0/5] multiple block allocation to current ext3 Mingming Cao
2006-01-11  5:25                                     ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-11 19:17                                       ` Mingming Cao
2006-01-11 19:43                                         ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-11 21:31                                           ` Mingming Cao
2006-01-14  1:12                                           ` Fall back io scheduler for 2.6.15? Mingming Cao
2006-01-14  1:49                                             ` Andrew Morton
2006-01-14  5:22                                               ` Dave Jones
2006-01-16  8:43                                               ` Jens Axboe
2006-01-16 19:45                                                 ` [PATCH] Fall back io scheduler ( Re: [Ext2-devel] Re: Fall back io scheduler for 2.6.15?) Mingming Cao
2006-01-16 19:49                                                   ` Jens Axboe
2006-01-16 19:57                                                     ` Mingming Cao
2006-01-19 19:37                                                 ` Fall back io scheduler for 2.6.15? Nate Diller
2006-01-20  8:10                                                   ` Jens Axboe
2006-01-16 19:38                                               ` [Ext2-devel] " Mingming Cao
2005-04-29  6:28                               ` [PATCH] Reduce ext3 allocate-with-reservation lock latencies Mingming Cao

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