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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Dan Williams <dan.j.williams@intel.com>, torvalds@linux-foundation.org
Cc: ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	tech-board-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org,
	Chris Mason <clm@fb.clm>
Subject: Re: [Tech-board-discuss] [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 14:25:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1593897917.7058.11.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <159389297140.2210796.13590142254668787525.stgit@dwillia2-desk3.amr.corp.intel.com>

On Sat, 2020-07-04 at 13:02 -0700, Dan Williams wrote:
[...]
> diff --git a/Documentation/process/inclusive-terminology.rst
> b/Documentation/process/inclusive-terminology.rst
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000000..a8eb26690eb4
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/Documentation/process/inclusive-terminology.rst

Could we just lose this entire document?  The one thing we should learn
from recent history is that we really want prevent people distracting
from the good inclusive (and technically more accurate) terminology
will do.  One way the detractors do this by engaging in ultimately
pointless arguments about historical accuracy of supporting statements.
  By making pejorative statements about history (which are open to
challenge on several fronts), this document acts as a magnet for such
attention.  Simply leave it out and the detractors will have nothing to
attack except the bald statement of desiring more inclusive language. 
I'd much rather defend why we want inclusive and more descriptive
language than get into a pointless argument over whether the Ottoman
slave trade was more or less evil than the American one.

James


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-07-04 21:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 92+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-04 20:02 [PATCH] CodingStyle: Inclusive Terminology Dan Williams
2020-07-04 20:31 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-07-04 23:41   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Dave Airlie
     [not found]     ` <CAFhKne9MA_G-UsvBFfX-gZRcu9Gb7Xt7UxQ14MTppdU3X1VYdQ@mail.gmail.com>
2020-07-05  1:10       ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Kees Cook
2020-07-05  2:44         ` Randy Dunlap
2020-07-06 11:15         ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2020-07-06 15:53           ` Kees Cook
2020-07-05  2:54       ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Dave Airlie
2020-07-04 20:44 ` Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-04 23:34   ` Dave Airlie
2020-07-05  2:12     ` Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-05  2:56       ` Dave Airlie
2020-07-05  3:23         ` James Bottomley
2020-07-05  3:26         ` Stephen Rothwell
2020-07-04 21:14 ` Olof Johansson
2020-07-04 21:25 ` James Bottomley [this message]
2020-07-04 21:51   ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Joe Perches
2020-07-04 23:39   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Dave Airlie
2020-07-05  0:08     ` Joe Perches
2020-07-05  1:32     ` Kees Cook
2020-07-05 17:50     ` opal hart
2020-07-04 23:42 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Dave Airlie
2020-07-05  0:41 ` Kees Cook
2020-07-07  4:30   ` Dan Williams
2020-07-10 16:52     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-05  4:55 ` Willy Tarreau
2020-07-06  3:13   ` Daniel Palmer
2020-07-06 12:45   ` Chris Mason
2020-07-06 14:06     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Laurent Pinchart
2020-07-06 15:55       ` Chris Mason
2020-07-06 16:06     ` Mike Rapoport
2020-07-07  4:17       ` Dan Williams
2020-07-06 15:22   ` Arvind Sankar
2020-07-06 15:40     ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
     [not found] ` <CAFhKne_ZVWVhZX5hNEbeGBfU6BMRN9JKQeTsVYOcMmEH1cd3xg@mail.gmail.com>
2020-07-06  7:06   ` [Ksummit-discuss] " NeilBrown
2020-07-06  7:10   ` NeilBrown
2020-07-06  7:22     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-06  7:53       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-07-06 10:22         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2020-07-06 12:51         ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-06 12:59           ` Joe Perches
2020-07-06 13:04             ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-07-06 13:30               ` Joe Perches
2020-07-09 11:11                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2020-07-13  4:25                   ` Vinod Koul
2020-07-13 15:55                     ` Dan Williams
2020-07-06 13:23 ` Tibor Raschko
2020-07-06 16:29 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Andy Lutomirski
2020-07-07  4:00   ` Dan Williams
2020-07-07  5:56   ` Kees Cook
2020-07-07  6:49     ` Mike Rapoport
2020-07-07 13:37       ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
2020-07-07 15:24         ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Bird, Tim
2020-07-07 15:33           ` Randy Dunlap
2020-07-07 15:41             ` Steven Rostedt
2020-07-07 15:55               ` Bird, Tim
2020-07-07  6:56     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Harrosh, Boaz
2020-07-07  8:54       ` Kees Cook
2020-07-07 13:41         ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
2020-07-07 14:45           ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Mike Rapoport
2020-07-07 20:56             ` Kees Cook
2020-07-07 21:48         ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Arvind Sankar
2020-07-07 12:13       ` Mark Brown
2020-07-06 18:30 ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Shuah Khan
2020-07-06 23:58   ` Tibor Raschko
2020-07-09 10:43     ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2020-07-09 16:01       ` Shuah Khan
2020-07-09 16:13         ` [Tech-board-discuss] [Ksummit-discuss] " Mark Brown
2020-07-09 16:32           ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " James Bottomley
2020-07-09 16:35           ` [Tech-board-discuss] [Ksummit-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
2020-07-10  9:38         ` [Ksummit-discuss] [Tech-board-discuss] " Tibor Raschko
2020-07-07  4:04   ` Dan Williams
2020-07-06 19:15 ` Mark Brown
2020-07-07  0:48   ` Tibor Raschko
2020-07-07 21:26     ` Arvind Sankar
2020-07-07 23:54       ` Tibor Raschko
2020-07-07  4:08   ` Dan Williams
2020-07-07  9:36     ` Mark Brown
2020-07-06 21:31 ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-06 22:10   ` [Tech-board-discuss] " Steven Rostedt
2020-07-06 22:17     ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-06 22:28       ` Steven Rostedt
2020-07-06 23:03         ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-08  3:42           ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Stephen Hemminger
2020-07-08 10:51             ` Pavel Begunkov
2020-07-07  6:56 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " SeongJae Park
2020-07-08  7:12   ` Dan Williams
2020-07-08  9:28     ` SeongJae Park
2020-07-07  7:51 ` Christian Brauner
2020-07-08 18:40 ` Daniel Vetter
2020-07-17  8:35 ` Pavel Machek
2020-07-26 15:30 ` [Ksummit-discuss] " Laurent Pinchart

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