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From: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
To: David Balazic <david.balazic@uni-mb.si>
Cc: torvalds@transmeta.com,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: scsi vs ide performance on fsync's
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 21:37:20 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010306213720.U2803@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3AA53DC0.C6E2F308@uni-mb.si>
In-Reply-To: <3AA53DC0.C6E2F308@uni-mb.si>; from david.balazic@uni-mb.si on Tue, Mar 06, 2001 at 08:42:56PM +0100

On Tue, Mar 06 2001, David Balazic wrote:
> > > Wrong model 
> > > 
> > > You want a write barrier. Write buffering (at least for short intervals)
> > > in the drive is very sensible. The kernel needs to able to send
> > > drivers a write barrier which will not be completed with outstanding
> > > commands before the 
> > > barrier. 
> > 
> > Agreed. 
> > 
> > Write buffering is incredibly useful on a disk - for all the same reasons 
> > that an OS wants to do it. The disk can use write buffering to speed up 
> > writes a lot - not just lower the _perceived_ latency by the OS, but to 
> > actually improve performance too. 
> > 
> > But Alan is right - we needs a "sync" command or something. I don't know 
> > if IDE has one (it already might, for all I know). 
> 
> ATA , SCSI and ATAPI all have a FLUSH_CACHE command. (*)
> Whether the drives implement it is another question ...

(Usually called SYNCHRONIZE_CACHE btw)

SCSI has ordered tag, which fit the model Alan described quite nicely.
I've been meaning to implement this for some time, it would be handy
for journalled fs to use such a barrier. Since ATA doesn't do queueing
(at least not in current Linux), a synchronize cache is probably the
only way to go there.

> (*) references : 
>   ATA-6 draft standard from www.t13.org
>   MtFuji document from ????????

ftp.avc-pioneer.com

-- 
Jens Axboe


  reply	other threads:[~2001-03-06 20:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-03-06 19:42 scsi vs ide performance on fsync's David Balazic
2001-03-06 20:37 ` Jens Axboe [this message]
2001-03-07 13:51   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-03-07 14:12     ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-07 15:05       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-03-07 18:51         ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-07 19:10           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-03-07 20:15             ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-07 20:56               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-03-07 20:59                 ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-08 15:45                 ` Chris Mason
     [not found] <1epyyz1.etswlv1kmicnqM%smurf@noris.de>
2001-03-09  6:59 ` Matthias Urlichs
2001-03-09 11:51   ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-09 14:26     ` Matthias Urlichs
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-03-07 12:47 David Balazic
2001-03-06 17:14 David Balazic
2001-03-06 17:46 ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-03-06 18:23 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-06 23:27   ` Mark Hahn
2001-03-06  5:27 Douglas Gilbert
2001-03-06  5:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-06  7:12   ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-06 12:09     ` Alan Cox
2001-03-06 18:44       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-07 13:48         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-03-07 14:13           ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-12 18:50           ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-06 13:50     ` Mike Black
2001-03-06 16:02       ` Jeremy Hansen
2001-03-07 18:27         ` Jeremy Hansen
2001-03-07 18:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-08 11:06             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-03-06 16:57       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-06  6:43 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-06 13:03   ` dean gaudet
2001-03-06 13:15     ` dean gaudet
2001-03-06 13:45     ` Jonathan Morton
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0103021033190.6176-200000@srv2.ecropolis.com>
     [not found] ` <054201c0a33d$55ee5870$e1de11cc@csihq.com>
2001-03-04 20:10   ` Douglas Gilbert
2001-03-04 21:28     ` Ishikawa
2001-03-06  0:11     ` Douglas Gilbert
2001-03-02 17:42 Jeremy Hansen
2001-03-02 18:39 ` Steve Lord
2001-03-02 19:17   ` Chris Mason
2001-03-02 19:25     ` Steve Lord
2001-03-02 19:27       ` Jeremy Hansen
2001-03-02 19:38       ` Chris Mason
2001-03-02 19:41         ` Steve Lord
2001-03-05 13:23         ` Andi Kleen
2001-03-02 19:25     ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-03  1:55     ` Dan Hollis
2001-03-02 20:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-06  2:13   ` Jeremy Hansen
2001-03-06  2:25     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-06  3:30     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-06  4:05       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-06  7:03       ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-06  8:24       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-06 12:22         ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-06 14:08         ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-07 16:50           ` Pavel Machek
2001-03-06 19:41         ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-07  5:25         ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-07  6:58           ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-09 11:39       ` Jonathan Morton

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