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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@transmeta.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Andre Hedrick <andre@linux-ide.org>,
	Douglas Gilbert <dougg@torque.net>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: scsi vs ide performance on fsync's
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:44:34 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10103061042250.1989-100000@penguin.transmeta.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E14aGHY-0000Yc-00@the-village.bc.nu>



On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Alan Cox wrote:
>
> > > I don't know if there is any way to turn of a write buffer on an IDE disk.
> > You want a forced set of commands to kill caching at init?
> 
> Wrong model
> 
> You want a write barrier. Write buffering (at least for short intervals) in
> the drive is very sensible. The kernel needs to able to send drivers a write
> barrier which will not be completed with outstanding commands before the
> barrier.

Agreed.

Write buffering is incredibly useful on a disk - for all the same reasons
that an OS wants to do it. The disk can use write buffering to speed up
writes a lot - not just lower the _perceived_ latency by the OS, but to
actually improve performance too.

But Alan is right - we needs a "sync" command or something. I don't know
if IDE has one (it already might, for all I know).

		Linus


  reply	other threads:[~2001-03-06 18:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-03-06  5:27 scsi vs ide performance on fsync's Douglas Gilbert
2001-03-06  5:45 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-06  7:12   ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-06 12:09     ` Alan Cox
2001-03-06 18:44       ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2001-03-07 13:48         ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-03-07 14:13           ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-12 18:50           ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-06 13:50     ` Mike Black
2001-03-06 16:02       ` Jeremy Hansen
2001-03-07 18:27         ` Jeremy Hansen
2001-03-07 18:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-08 11:06             ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-03-06 16:57       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-06  6:43 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-06 13:03   ` dean gaudet
2001-03-06 13:15     ` dean gaudet
2001-03-06 13:45     ` Jonathan Morton
     [not found] <1epyyz1.etswlv1kmicnqM%smurf@noris.de>
2001-03-09  6:59 ` Matthias Urlichs
2001-03-09 11:51   ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-09 14:26     ` Matthias Urlichs
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-03-07 12:47 David Balazic
2001-03-06 19:42 David Balazic
2001-03-06 20:37 ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-07 13:51   ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-03-07 14:12     ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-07 15:05       ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-03-07 18:51         ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-07 19:10           ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-03-07 20:15             ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-07 20:56               ` Stephen C. Tweedie
2001-03-07 20:59                 ` Jens Axboe
2001-03-08 15:45                 ` Chris Mason
2001-03-06 17:14 David Balazic
2001-03-06 17:46 ` Gregory Maxwell
2001-03-06 18:23 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-06 23:27   ` Mark Hahn
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.33L2.0103021033190.6176-200000@srv2.ecropolis.com>
     [not found] ` <054201c0a33d$55ee5870$e1de11cc@csihq.com>
2001-03-04 20:10   ` Douglas Gilbert
2001-03-04 21:28     ` Ishikawa
2001-03-06  0:11     ` Douglas Gilbert
2001-03-02 17:42 Jeremy Hansen
2001-03-02 18:39 ` Steve Lord
2001-03-02 19:17   ` Chris Mason
2001-03-02 19:25     ` Steve Lord
2001-03-02 19:27       ` Jeremy Hansen
2001-03-02 19:38       ` Chris Mason
2001-03-02 19:41         ` Steve Lord
2001-03-05 13:23         ` Andi Kleen
2001-03-02 19:25     ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-03  1:55     ` Dan Hollis
2001-03-02 20:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-06  2:13   ` Jeremy Hansen
2001-03-06  2:25     ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-06  3:30     ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-06  4:05       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-03-06  7:03       ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-06  8:24       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-06 12:22         ` Rik van Riel
2001-03-06 14:08         ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-07 16:50           ` Pavel Machek
2001-03-06 19:41         ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-07  5:25         ` Jonathan Morton
2001-03-07  6:58           ` Andre Hedrick
2001-03-09 11:39       ` Jonathan Morton

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