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From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Michael Rothwell <rothwell@holly-springs.nc.us>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:04:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010619200442.E30785@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E15CQlA-0006Tr-00@the-village.bc.nu> <993005859.1799.1.camel@gromit>
In-Reply-To: <993005859.1799.1.camel@gromit>; from rothwell@holly-springs.nc.us on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 10:57:38PM -0400

On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 10:57:38PM -0400, Michael Rothwell wrote:
> On 19 Jun 2001 20:01:56 +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> 
> > Linux inherits several unix properties which are not friendly to good state
> > based programming - lack of good AIO for one.
> 
> Oh, how I would love for select() and poll() to work on files... or for
> any other working AIO mothods to be present.
> 
> What would get broken if things were changed to let select() work for
> filesystem fds?

I asked Linus for this a long time ago and he pointed out that you couldn't
make it work over NFS, at least not nicely.  It does seem like that could 
be worked around by having a "poll daemon" which knew about all the things
being waited on and checked them.  Or something.

I'd like it too.  And I'd like a callback for iocompletion, a way to do
preread(fd, len).

On the other hand, the fact that it doesn't exist on other platforms sort
of means that it isn't going anywhere.  In a sick sort of way, the most
likely way to make this happen is to get Microsoft to do it and then Linux
will do it as well and then the Solaris jocks will also fall in line.  The
only problem with that is that Microsoft can't design an OS interface to save 
their lives, so maybe Linux _should_ do it first.
-- 
---
Larry McVoy            	 lm at bitmover.com           http://www.bitmover.com/lm 

  reply	other threads:[~2001-06-20  3:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-06-19 14:53 accounting for threads Dan Kegel
2001-06-19 14:57 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-19 15:44 ` ognen
2001-06-19 15:58   ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Dan Kegel
2001-06-19 16:02     ` Ben Pfaff
2001-06-19 16:09     ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 16:26       ` Matthew Kirkwood
2001-06-19 16:52         ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 18:18           ` Rob Landley
2001-06-19 23:31           ` Timur Tabi
2001-06-20 11:52             ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 21:20               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-06-20 18:12                 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 23:28                   ` Dan Podeanu
2001-06-21  0:42                   ` D. Stimits
2001-06-20 20:18                     ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21  1:57                       ` D. Stimits
2001-06-21 14:46                         ` Idea: Patches-from-linus mailing list? (Was Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)) Rob Landley
2001-06-21 14:02                   ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Jesse Pollard
2001-06-21 14:18                     ` Rob Landley
2001-06-22 14:46               ` Mikulas Patocka
2001-06-22 13:29                 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-24 21:41                   ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 16:55                     ` Rob Landley
2001-06-24 22:30                       ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 18:21                         ` Rob Landley
2001-06-25 13:48                           ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 22:39                         ` Steven Walter
2001-06-24 23:50                         ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-24 20:24                           ` Rob Landley
2001-06-25  0:05                           ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-25  0:32                             ` Gerhard Mack
2001-06-25  0:59                               ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-25  2:18                         ` Galen Hancock
2001-06-20 14:59           ` Matthias Urlichs
2001-06-20 19:14           ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 21:01           ` RE:Why use threads ( was: Alan Cox quote?) David Schwartz
2001-06-20 21:26             ` Why " Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 22:18               ` David Schwartz
2001-06-20 22:41                 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20 22:47                   ` [OT] " Jeff Garzik
2001-06-21  0:21                   ` David Schwartz
2001-06-21  0:56                     ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-21  1:32                       ` David Schwartz
2001-06-21  2:22                         ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-21  2:43                           ` David Schwartz
2001-06-21 16:10                             ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-21 19:55                               ` Marco Colombo
2001-06-20 22:43                 ` Mike Castle
2001-06-21  1:43                   ` David Schwartz
2001-06-19 17:10       ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Matti Aarnio
2001-06-19 17:20       ` Mike Castle
2001-06-19 17:37         ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 17:45           ` Mike Castle
2001-06-19 19:38             ` Georg Nikodym
2001-06-19 19:56               ` Michael Meissner
2001-06-19 17:53           ` Steve Underwood
2001-06-19 19:01             ` Alan Cox
2001-06-20  2:57               ` Michael Rothwell
2001-06-20  3:04                 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2001-06-20  3:38                   ` John R Lenton
2001-06-20 10:21                   ` john slee
2001-06-20 18:08                     ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20 16:21                   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20  9:14                 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-22  2:36                   ` Michael Rothwell
2001-06-19 18:08           ` Georg Nikodym
2001-06-19 20:57       ` David S. Miller
2001-06-19 21:15         ` David S. Miller
2001-06-20  0:04         ` Chris Ricker
2001-06-20  0:59           ` Robert Love
2001-06-19 17:36     ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-19 17:41       ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 21:11       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-19 23:56         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-20  0:19           ` Mike Castle
2001-06-20  0:28             ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20  1:30               ` Ben Greear
2001-06-20  2:14                 ` Mike Castle
2001-06-20  9:00               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 11:25                 ` [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java Aaron Lehmann
2001-06-20 11:25                   ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 17:36                     ` Martin Dalecki
2001-06-20 19:27                       ` Mike Harrold
2001-06-20 17:46                         ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 19:53                         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-06-20 17:53                           ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21  7:45                             ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-06-20 20:16                         ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-06-20 22:05                           ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                     ` <20010621000725.A24672@werewolf.able.es>
2001-06-20 19:15                       ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21  3:13                       ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-06-21 13:59                         ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21  9:40                       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-06-21 16:48                     ` Adam Sampson
2001-06-20 15:12                   ` Ben Greear
2001-06-20 15:44                     ` Russell Leighton
2001-06-20 16:32                       ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20 16:54                         ` Russell Leighton
2001-06-20 17:03                         ` Tony Hoyle
2001-06-20 15:10                           ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 20:23                             ` Tony Hoyle
2001-06-21  8:12                               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 20:40                             ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-06-20 20:48                               ` Tony Hoyle
2001-06-20 21:00                               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-20 21:06                                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-06-20 18:14                         ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 16:53                     ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20 12:36                       ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 21:14                     ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-06-20 18:09                   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 19:05                   ` William T Wilson
2001-06-19 16:02   ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) David S. Miller
2001-06-19 16:12     ` Padraig Brady
2001-06-19 19:10     ` bert hubert
2001-06-19 19:18       ` Alan Cox
2001-06-19 19:32         ` bert hubert
2001-06-19 19:43         ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 15:22         ` Jes Sorensen
2001-06-20 15:33           ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 15:59             ` Threads are processes that share more bert hubert
2001-06-20 16:15               ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 18:48               ` Martin Devera
2001-06-20 19:19                 ` Unknown PCI Net Device Greg Ingram
2001-06-20 22:53                   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-06-20 22:56                     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-06-20 23:00                     ` Alan Cox
2001-06-20 22:08               ` Threads are processes that share more Stephen Satchell
2001-06-20 22:14                 ` ognen
2001-06-20 23:10                 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 23:47                   ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-25  2:23                   ` David S. Miller
2001-06-20 16:39             ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) george anzinger
2001-06-20 18:35               ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-21  4:11                 ` Rusty Russell
2001-06-21 23:37                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-21 23:55                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-22 14:53                     ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-20 16:40             ` Jes Sorensen
2001-06-20 20:09             ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 19:05         ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 14:35       ` Mike Porter
2001-06-20 11:56         ` Rob Landley
2001-06-19 18:01   ` Alan Cox quote? Kai Henningsen
2001-06-19 18:49     ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 20:12     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-19 21:12     ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-19 22:50       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-19 19:48 Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Joerg Pommnitz
2001-06-19 19:59 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 19:36 Rok Papež
2001-06-20 20:16 ` Cort Dougan
2001-06-22  5:19 Chester Lott
     [not found] <Pine.GSO.4.21.0106211931180.209-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2001-06-22  7:33 ` Andi Kleen
2001-06-30  9:16 Jan Hudec

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