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From: Ben Greear <greearb@candelatech.com>
To: Aaron Lehmann <aaronl@vitelus.com>
Cc: hps@intermeta.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 08:12:29 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3B30BD5D.153A5FE9@candelatech.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20010620042544.E24183@vitelus.com>

Aaron Lehmann wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Jun 20, 2001 at 09:00:47AM +0000, Henning P. Schmiedehausen wrote:
> > Just the fact that some people use Java (or any other language) does
> > not mean, that they don't care about "performance, system-design or
> > any elegance whatsoever" [2].
> 
> However, the very concept of Java encourages not caring about
> "performance, system-design or any elegance whatsoever". If you cared

System-design and elegance are easy to get
in Java, and in fact are independent of language.  Good c code will beat
Java in most cases, performance wise, but lately the difference has become
small enough not to matter for most applications.  Speed is not the most
important feature in a great many programs, otherwise we'd all be using
assembly still.

> about any of those things you would compile to native code (it exists
> for a reason). Need run-anywhere support? Distribute sources instead.

When was the last time you wrote a large cross-platform GUI that just
worked on other platforms, without any additional tweaking, after you
developed it on your Linux machine?

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-06-20 15:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 152+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-06-19 14:53 accounting for threads Dan Kegel
2001-06-19 14:57 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-19 15:44 ` ognen
2001-06-19 15:58   ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Dan Kegel
2001-06-19 16:02     ` Ben Pfaff
2001-06-19 16:09     ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 16:26       ` Matthew Kirkwood
2001-06-19 16:52         ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 18:18           ` Rob Landley
2001-06-19 23:31           ` Timur Tabi
2001-06-20 11:52             ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 21:20               ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-06-20 18:12                 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 23:28                   ` Dan Podeanu
2001-06-21  0:42                   ` D. Stimits
2001-06-20 20:18                     ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21  1:57                       ` D. Stimits
2001-06-21 14:46                         ` Idea: Patches-from-linus mailing list? (Was Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)) Rob Landley
2001-06-21 14:02                   ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Jesse Pollard
2001-06-21 14:18                     ` Rob Landley
2001-06-22 14:46               ` Mikulas Patocka
2001-06-22 13:29                 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-24 21:41                   ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 16:55                     ` Rob Landley
2001-06-24 22:30                       ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 18:21                         ` Rob Landley
2001-06-25 13:48                           ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 22:39                         ` Steven Walter
2001-06-24 23:50                         ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-24 20:24                           ` Rob Landley
2001-06-25  0:05                           ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-25  0:32                             ` Gerhard Mack
2001-06-25  0:59                               ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-25  2:18                         ` Galen Hancock
2001-06-20 14:59           ` Matthias Urlichs
2001-06-20 19:14           ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 21:01           ` RE:Why use threads ( was: Alan Cox quote?) David Schwartz
2001-06-20 21:26             ` Why " Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 22:18               ` David Schwartz
2001-06-20 22:41                 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20 22:47                   ` [OT] " Jeff Garzik
2001-06-21  0:21                   ` David Schwartz
2001-06-21  0:56                     ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-21  1:32                       ` David Schwartz
2001-06-21  2:22                         ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-21  2:43                           ` David Schwartz
2001-06-21 16:10                             ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-21 19:55                               ` Marco Colombo
2001-06-20 22:43                 ` Mike Castle
2001-06-21  1:43                   ` David Schwartz
2001-06-19 17:10       ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Matti Aarnio
2001-06-19 17:20       ` Mike Castle
2001-06-19 17:37         ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 17:45           ` Mike Castle
2001-06-19 19:38             ` Georg Nikodym
2001-06-19 19:56               ` Michael Meissner
2001-06-19 17:53           ` Steve Underwood
2001-06-19 19:01             ` Alan Cox
2001-06-20  2:57               ` Michael Rothwell
2001-06-20  3:04                 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20  3:38                   ` John R Lenton
2001-06-20 10:21                   ` john slee
2001-06-20 18:08                     ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20 16:21                   ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20  9:14                 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-22  2:36                   ` Michael Rothwell
2001-06-19 18:08           ` Georg Nikodym
2001-06-19 20:57       ` David S. Miller
2001-06-19 21:15         ` David S. Miller
2001-06-20  0:04         ` Chris Ricker
2001-06-20  0:59           ` Robert Love
2001-06-19 17:36     ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-19 17:41       ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 21:11       ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-19 23:56         ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-20  0:19           ` Mike Castle
2001-06-20  0:28             ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20  1:30               ` Ben Greear
2001-06-20  2:14                 ` Mike Castle
2001-06-20  9:00               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 11:25                 ` [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java Aaron Lehmann
2001-06-20 11:25                   ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 17:36                     ` Martin Dalecki
2001-06-20 19:27                       ` Mike Harrold
2001-06-20 17:46                         ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 19:53                         ` Martin Dalecki
2001-06-20 17:53                           ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21  7:45                             ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-06-20 20:16                         ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-06-20 22:05                           ` Alan Cox
     [not found]                     ` <20010621000725.A24672@werewolf.able.es>
2001-06-20 19:15                       ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21  3:13                       ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-06-21 13:59                         ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21  9:40                       ` Jonathan Morton
2001-06-21 16:48                     ` Adam Sampson
2001-06-20 15:12                   ` Ben Greear [this message]
2001-06-20 15:44                     ` Russell Leighton
2001-06-20 16:32                       ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20 16:54                         ` Russell Leighton
2001-06-20 17:03                         ` Tony Hoyle
2001-06-20 15:10                           ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 20:23                             ` Tony Hoyle
2001-06-21  8:12                               ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 20:40                             ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-06-20 20:48                               ` Tony Hoyle
2001-06-20 21:00                               ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-20 21:06                                 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-06-20 18:14                         ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 16:53                     ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20 12:36                       ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 21:14                     ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-06-20 18:09                   ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 19:05                   ` William T Wilson
2001-06-19 16:02   ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) David S. Miller
2001-06-19 16:12     ` Padraig Brady
2001-06-19 19:10     ` bert hubert
2001-06-19 19:18       ` Alan Cox
2001-06-19 19:32         ` bert hubert
2001-06-19 19:43         ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 15:22         ` Jes Sorensen
2001-06-20 15:33           ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 15:59             ` Threads are processes that share more bert hubert
2001-06-20 16:15               ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 18:48               ` Martin Devera
2001-06-20 19:19                 ` Unknown PCI Net Device Greg Ingram
2001-06-20 22:53                   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-06-20 22:56                     ` Jeff Garzik
2001-06-20 23:00                     ` Alan Cox
2001-06-20 22:08               ` Threads are processes that share more Stephen Satchell
2001-06-20 22:14                 ` ognen
2001-06-20 23:10                 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 23:47                   ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-25  2:23                   ` David S. Miller
2001-06-20 16:39             ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) george anzinger
2001-06-20 18:35               ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-21  4:11                 ` Rusty Russell
2001-06-21 23:37                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-21 23:55                     ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-22 14:53                     ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-20 16:40             ` Jes Sorensen
2001-06-20 20:09             ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 19:05         ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 14:35       ` Mike Porter
2001-06-20 11:56         ` Rob Landley
2001-06-19 18:01   ` Alan Cox quote? Kai Henningsen
2001-06-19 18:49     ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 20:12     ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-19 21:12     ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-19 22:50       ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 21:13 [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java Holzrichter, Bruce
2001-06-20 21:17 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-06-21  4:10 Dan Kegel

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