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From: Chris Wedgwood <cw@f00f.org>
To: Jan Harkes <jaharkes@cs.cmu.edu>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.4.8-pre3 fsync entire path (+reiserfs fsync semantic change patch)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 06:18:59 +1200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010805061859.A20111@weta.f00f.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <01080315090600.01827@starship> <Pine.GSO.4.21.0108031400590.3272-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu> <9keqr6$egl$1@penguin.transmeta.com> <20010804100143.A17774@weta.f00f.org> <20010804133500.F22090@cs.cmu.edu>
In-Reply-To: <20010804133500.F22090@cs.cmu.edu>

(cc' list trimmed)

On Sat, Aug 04, 2001 at 01:35:00PM -0400, Jan Harkes wrote:

    Deadly for Coda, every fsync triggers an upcall to userspace,
    which costs at least 2 context switches and a whole bunch of
    network traffic as updates are sent back to the server, i.e. the
    fact that some parent has a new child or timestamp is not related
    to or interesting for this delivery.

would limiting it to just the parent dentry be acceptable?

    - fsync(dir) is an _explicit_ indication by an application that
      actually cares what precisely needs to be written to disk.

i though nothing used it (maybe qmail?)

    - fsync(dir) doesn't negatively affect applications that don't care.

fsync(dir) or fsync(file)?

    - The proposed patch doesn't solve the 'oops I relinked the file,
      or I renamed a parent' problems where the path leading to a file
      is lost anyways.

      And the relinking is exactly what is done by both qmail and
      cyrus imap, i.e. this patch wouldn't even solve the problem that
      is being discussed.

cryrus/qmail do link("tmp_place", "store/where_i_want_it") ?

do they also do fsync(open("store")) ?




  --cw

  reply	other threads:[~2001-08-04 18:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <0108030507330F.00440@starship>
     [not found] ` <Pine.GSO.4.21.0108022312211.1494-100000@weyl.math.psu.edu>
2001-08-03 13:09   ` intermediate summary of ext3-2.4-0.9.4 thread Daniel Phillips
2001-08-03 14:43     ` Horst von Brand
2001-08-03 17:49     ` Mike Castle
2001-08-04  3:23       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-03 18:08     ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-03 18:26       ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-03 18:53         ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-03 20:50           ` Daniel Phillips
2001-08-04  3:43           ` Matthias Andree
2001-08-03 18:34       ` Linus Torvalds
2001-08-03 22:01         ` [PATCH] 2.4.8-pre3 fsync entire path (+reiserfs fsync semantic change patch) Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-03 22:33           ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-03 23:16             ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-03 23:23               ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-04  3:53                 ` Matthias Andree
2001-08-04  5:48                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-03 22:45           ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-03 23:09             ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-03 23:15               ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-03 23:20                 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-03 23:25                   ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-03 23:35                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-03 23:41                       ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-03 23:46                         ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-03 23:53                           ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-04  7:45                             ` [PATCH] 2.4.8-pre3 fsync entire path (+reiserfs fsync semanticchange patch) Hans Reiser
2001-08-04 18:31                               ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-05  1:47                                 ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-08 17:22                                   ` [PATCH] 2.4.8-pre3 fsync entire path (+reiserfs fsync semanticchangepatch) Hans Reiser
2001-08-03 23:42                       ` [PATCH] 2.4.8-pre3 fsync entire path (+reiserfs fsync semantic change patch) Alan Cox
2001-08-03 23:44                         ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-04  1:08           ` Andrew Morton
2001-08-04  1:19             ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-04  1:45               ` Andrew Morton
2001-08-04  4:04                 ` Matthias Andree
2001-08-04 18:30                   ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-05 12:15                     ` Matthias Andree
2001-08-05 12:32                       ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-05 13:02                         ` Matti Aarnio
2001-08-04 21:07                   ` Andrew Morton
2001-08-04 21:07               ` Andrew Morton
2001-08-05  7:25                 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-09 13:25                 ` Matthias Andree
2001-08-04 17:35           ` Jan Harkes
2001-08-04 18:18             ` Chris Wedgwood [this message]
2001-08-06 15:02           ` Chris Mason
2001-08-06 20:48             ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-03 22:29       ` Anton Altaparmakov
2001-08-03 23:06         ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-06 15:23         ` looking for resources for designing loopback filesystem dave-mlist
2001-08-06 16:11           ` Ville Herva
2001-08-03 18:36   ` intermediate summary of ext3-2.4-0.9.4 thread Matthias Andree
2001-08-03 19:16     ` Alexander Viro
2001-08-04  3:40       ` fdatasync(2) is also there (was: intermediate summary of ext3-2.4-0.9.4 thread) Matthias Andree
2001-08-05  0:28         ` Mike Castle

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