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From: Andreas Bombe <andreas.bombe@munich.netsurf.de>
To: "Richard B. Johnson" <root@chaos.analogic.com>
Cc: Nicholas Knight <tegeran@home.com>,
	Adrian Cox <adrian@humboldt.co.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Encrypted Swap
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:55:41 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010821155541.A1158@bombe.modem.informatik.tu-muenchen.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.1010817152158.4584B-100000@chaos.analogic.com>

On Fri, Aug 17, 2001 at 03:30:47PM -0400, Richard B. Johnson wrote:
> We've established no such thing. In fact, you can't properly initialize
> SDRAM memory without writing something to it. Further, reading SDRAM
> after a power-on or a reset, will result in all 1s (0xffffffff) because
> the SDRAM controller isn't even connected to the RAM. Further, in the
> process of connecting it up (logically), the lowest 15 bits of all
> SDRAM commands will end up being written to every chip. With SDRAM,
> data are normally clocked in/out, once the precharge command is
> executed, it's not even clocked. It works like this:

You keep referring to some unspecified SDRAM controller.  The
interesting part however is the SDRAM itself.

> (1) Put a memory controller command in a controller register.

Don't you probably mean a SDRAM command to be sent out by the
controller?

> (2) Attempt to write RAM (anywhere), that makes the controller read
>     and acccept the command.

That's just controller specific then.  It seems made to be
accessed from a CPU, which has just the limited "address & read/write"
interface.

The write obviously just triggers the command sequence but does no real
write.  It can't do a real write since that's illegal with no open
banks.  There are controllers with dedicated command inputs requiring no
write trigger, but these aren't meant to be directly connected to a CPU.

> (3) Continue with all commands. The last enables refresh.

That's your controller.  The recommended SDRAM powerup sequence is:

1. Apply power and start clock. Attempt to maintain a NOP condition at
   the inputs.
2. Maintain stable power, stable clock, and NOP input conditions for a
   minimum of 200 uS.
3. Issue precharge commands for all banks of the device.
4. Issue 8 or more autorefresh commands.
5. Issue a mode register set command to initialize the mode register.

That's all.  The controller has to be configured to work with the values
written to the mode registers, of course, but that is a separate issue.

There is no intentional data erasing in the configuration sequence
outlined above.  Missing refresh may lose some data and precharge all
banks may write back wrong data to the rows in question.  Whether the
firmware then sets out to clear RAM contents or not is the question
worth looking at, AFAIR the PC BIOS may or may not, there is no
standard.

-- 
Andreas E. Bombe <andreas.bombe@munich.netsurf.de>    DSA key 0x04880A44

  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-08-21 13:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-07  2:28 Encrypted Swap David Spreen
2001-08-07  3:56 ` Justin Guyett
2001-08-07  4:01   ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07  4:23   ` John Polyakov
2001-08-07  4:36     ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07  5:12     ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07  5:55       ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07 12:37         ` Michael Bacarella
2001-08-17 14:50         ` Holger Lubitz
2001-08-17 15:39           ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 15:57             ` Holger Lubitz
2001-08-17 16:34               ` Gerhard Mack
2001-08-17 16:50               ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 17:06             ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-17 17:16               ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 17:22                 ` Jacob Alifrangis
2001-08-17 17:36                 ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-17 18:51                   ` Nicholas Knight
2001-08-17 19:30                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-18  8:51                       ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-18 11:02                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-19  8:51                           ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-20  1:27                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-20 11:08                           ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-20 11:50                           ` Ian Stirling
2001-08-21 13:55                       ` Andreas Bombe [this message]
2001-08-17 20:00                     ` Andreas Dilger
2001-08-07  6:27       ` John Polyakov
2001-08-06 23:28         ` Rob Landley
2001-08-07 10:10           ` Christopher E. Brown
2001-08-07 14:05             ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07  6:41         ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07  6:45         ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07  6:57         ` Evgeny Polyakov
2001-08-07  7:08         ` Evgeny Polyakov
2001-08-07  7:23           ` Sean Hunter
2001-08-07  8:39             ` Ben Ford
2001-08-07 12:28             ` Kevin Krieser
2001-08-07 12:39               ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-07 13:39               ` Re[2]: " s0mbre
2001-08-08  2:24                 ` Re[2]: Encrypted Swap (random off-topic snippet) Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-08-08  2:51                   ` Michael H. Warfield
2001-08-07 14:21               ` Encrypted Swap Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
2001-08-07  7:26           ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07  7:34           ` Jeffrey Considine
2001-08-07  7:49           ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07  9:01           ` Peter Wächtler
2001-08-07 20:09       ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2001-08-07 20:30   ` Ian Stirling
2001-08-07  4:12 ` Steve VanDevender
2001-08-07  7:34   ` Steve VanDevender
2001-08-07  7:55     ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 15:17     ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07  7:49   ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07  7:58     ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07  9:23       ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07 13:29         ` Wichert Akkerman
2001-08-07 15:56         ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 16:54           ` Alan Cox
2001-08-07 17:10             ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07  9:52   ` Brian May
2001-08-07 14:48     ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 15:59       ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 16:18         ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 16:24           ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 17:14     ` [OT] Cold, Dead Hard drives (was: Encrypted Swap) Stephen Satchell
2001-08-08  2:13     ` Encrypted Swap Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-08-07 10:33 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2001-08-13  3:32   ` swap & deadlocks [was Re: Encrypted Swap] Pavel Machek
     [not found] <no.id>
2001-08-07 14:17 ` Encrypted Swap Alan Cox
2001-08-07 15:16   ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 16:01     ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 14:37 encrypted swap David Maynor
2001-08-07 14:48 ` Billy Harvey
2001-08-07 16:03 ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 15:06 David Maynor
2001-08-07 15:11 ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 15:43   ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 15:30 ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07 16:21 ` David Spreen
2001-08-08  8:11 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07 15:28 David Maynor
2001-08-07 15:51 ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 17:30 Encrypted Swap David Maynor
2001-08-07 17:27 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-07 18:53 encrypted swap Torrey Hoffman
2001-08-07 19:15 ` Thomas Pornin
2001-08-07 19:23 ` Dan Podeanu
2001-08-07 19:48   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-08-07 20:04   ` Marty Poulin
2001-08-07 21:06   ` David Wagner
2001-08-07 21:56     ` D. Stimits
2001-08-07 21:44   ` Pavel Machek
2001-08-07 19:48 ` Justin Guyett
2001-08-07 20:05   ` Alan Cox
2001-08-07 20:17   ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
2001-08-07 21:40 David Spreen
2001-08-17 17:10 Encrypted Swap David Christensen
2001-08-17 17:21 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 18:41   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-17 19:05     ` Dan Hollis
2001-08-18  9:52       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-18 10:24         ` Nicholas Knight
2001-08-18 12:32           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-17 19:20     ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-18 10:34       ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found] <fa.kmbqblv.v3uvig@ifi.uio.no>
2001-08-18 14:53 ` Ted Unangst
2001-08-18 15:17   ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2001-08-20 11:03   ` Helge Hafting

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