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From: Justin Guyett <justin@soze.net>
To: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: RE: encrypted swap
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 12:48:34 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.33.0108071223100.17919-100000@kobayashi.soze.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D52B19A7284D32459CF20D579C4B0C0211C9A8@mail0.myrio.com>

On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Torrey Hoffman wrote:

> Imagine you have:
> - a Linux laptop with a small amount of RAM
> - Email and important documents encrypted on disk, either
>   with GPG / PGP or with an encrypted /home partition.
> - Documents and email are decrypted, viewed, and edited by
>   applications, not all of which are SUID root, so
>   unencrypted data might be swapped out.
>
> Now that laptop is stolen at an airport. The thief decides
> to try to improve his take by grabbing useful information
> from documents.  The encrypted documents are untouchable,
> of course.  It _doesn't matter_ that the thief has the
> hardware, the decryption key is protected by a passphrase
> which is _nowhere_ on the hard drive.

As someone just pointed out, if the laptop's suspended, the password for
encrypted swap pretty much has to be in ram, unless you're going to add
hooks in resume such that before anything even starts running again
(possible?) it prompts for the decryption password.  Otherwise, you can't
block swap access, and if the data's encrypted, seems like that will crash
the machine.

With encryption boards, what's to stop either hackers with root or people
with physical access from simply dumping everything sent across the bus to
the encryption card, unless your whole [embedded] computer is tamper-
resistant, the kernel doesn't accept loadable modules, and has been proven
secure.  The only thing that doesn't have to be attack-resistant is the
hd, since it only ever sees encrypted data.

And of course, "tamper-resistant", not "tamper-proof".  I wouldn't bet
very much money against the NSA being able to get at least some data out
of the ibm card.


justin


  parent reply	other threads:[~2001-08-07 19:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 104+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-08-07 18:53 encrypted swap Torrey Hoffman
2001-08-07 19:15 ` Thomas Pornin
2001-08-07 19:23 ` Dan Podeanu
2001-08-07 19:48   ` Andreas Dilger
2001-08-07 20:04   ` Marty Poulin
2001-08-07 21:06   ` David Wagner
2001-08-07 21:56     ` D. Stimits
2001-08-07 21:44   ` Pavel Machek
2001-08-07 19:48 ` Justin Guyett [this message]
2001-08-07 20:05   ` Alan Cox
2001-08-07 20:17   ` Bill Rugolsky Jr.
     [not found] <fa.kmbqblv.v3uvig@ifi.uio.no>
2001-08-18 14:53 ` Encrypted Swap Ted Unangst
2001-08-18 15:17   ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2001-08-20 11:03   ` Helge Hafting
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2001-08-17 17:10 David Christensen
2001-08-17 17:21 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 18:41   ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-17 19:05     ` Dan Hollis
2001-08-18  9:52       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-18 10:24         ` Nicholas Knight
2001-08-18 12:32           ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-17 19:20     ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-18 10:34       ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-07 21:40 encrypted swap David Spreen
2001-08-07 17:30 Encrypted Swap David Maynor
2001-08-07 17:27 ` Rik van Riel
2001-08-07 15:28 encrypted swap David Maynor
2001-08-07 15:51 ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 15:06 David Maynor
2001-08-07 15:11 ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-07 15:43   ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 15:30 ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07 16:21 ` David Spreen
2001-08-08  8:11 ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07 14:37 David Maynor
2001-08-07 14:48 ` Billy Harvey
2001-08-07 16:03 ` Chris Wedgwood
     [not found] <no.id>
2001-08-07 14:17 ` Encrypted Swap Alan Cox
2001-08-07 15:16   ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 16:01     ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07  2:28 David Spreen
2001-08-07  3:56 ` Justin Guyett
2001-08-07  4:01   ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07  4:23   ` John Polyakov
2001-08-07  4:36     ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07  5:12     ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07  5:55       ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07 12:37         ` Michael Bacarella
2001-08-17 14:50         ` Holger Lubitz
2001-08-17 15:39           ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 15:57             ` Holger Lubitz
2001-08-17 16:34               ` Gerhard Mack
2001-08-17 16:50               ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 17:06             ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-17 17:16               ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-17 17:22                 ` Jacob Alifrangis
2001-08-17 17:36                 ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-17 18:51                   ` Nicholas Knight
2001-08-17 19:30                     ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-18  8:51                       ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-18 11:02                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2001-08-19  8:51                           ` Adrian Cox
2001-08-20  1:27                         ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-20 11:08                           ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-20 11:50                           ` Ian Stirling
2001-08-21 13:55                       ` Andreas Bombe
2001-08-17 20:00                     ` Andreas Dilger
2001-08-07  6:27       ` John Polyakov
2001-08-06 23:28         ` Rob Landley
2001-08-07 10:10           ` Christopher E. Brown
2001-08-07 14:05             ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07  6:41         ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07  6:45         ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07  6:57         ` Evgeny Polyakov
2001-08-07  7:08         ` Evgeny Polyakov
2001-08-07  7:23           ` Sean Hunter
2001-08-07  8:39             ` Ben Ford
2001-08-07 12:28             ` Kevin Krieser
2001-08-07 12:39               ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-08-07 14:21               ` Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams
2001-08-07  7:26           ` Ryan Mack
2001-08-07  7:34           ` Jeffrey Considine
2001-08-07  7:49           ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07  9:01           ` Peter Wächtler
2001-08-07 20:09       ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2001-08-07 20:30   ` Ian Stirling
2001-08-07  4:12 ` Steve VanDevender
2001-08-07  7:34   ` Steve VanDevender
2001-08-07  7:55     ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07 15:17     ` Garett Spencley
2001-08-07  7:49   ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07  7:58     ` Crutcher Dunnavant
2001-08-07  9:23       ` Helge Hafting
2001-08-07 13:29         ` Wichert Akkerman
2001-08-07 15:56         ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 16:54           ` Alan Cox
2001-08-07 17:10             ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07  9:52   ` Brian May
2001-08-07 14:48     ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 15:59       ` Chris Wedgwood
2001-08-07 16:18         ` Joel Jaeggli
2001-08-07 16:24           ` Florian Weimer
2001-08-08  2:13     ` Dr. Kelsey Hudson
2001-08-07 10:33 ` Andrea Arcangeli

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