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From: John Bradford <john@grabjohn.com>
To: john@grabjohn.com, piggin@cyberone.com.au
Cc: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, davidsen@tmr.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, zwane@linuxpower.ca
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.6 workaround for Athlon/Opteron prefetch errata
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 10:39:01 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200309150939.h8F9d13D000943@81-2-122-30.bradfords.org.uk> (raw)

> >>>That's a non-issue.  300 bytes matters a lot on some systems.  The
> >>>fact that there are drivers that are bloated is nothing to do with
> >>>it.
> >>>
> >>Its kind of irrelevant when by saying "Athlon" you've added 128 byte
> >>alignment to all the cache friendly structure padding.
> >>
> >
> >My intention is that we won't have done 128 byte alignments just by
> >'supporting' Athlons, only if we want to run fast on Athlons.  A
> >distribution kernel that is intended to boot on all CPUs needs
> >workarounds for Athlon bugs, but it doesn't need 128 byte alignment.
> >
> >Obviously using such a kernel for anything other than getting a system
> >up and running to compile a better kernel is a Bad Thing, but the
> >distributions could supply separate Athlon, PIV, and 386 _optimised_
> >kernels.
> >
>
> Why bother with that complexity? Just use 128 byte lines. This allows
> a decent generic kernel. The people who have space requirements would
> only compile what they need anyway.

So, basically, if you compile a kernel for a 386, but think that maybe
one day you might need to run it on an Athlon for debugging purposes,
you use 128 byte padding, because it's not too bad on the 386?  Seems
pretty wasteful to me when the obvious, simple, elegant solution is to
allow independent selection of workaround inclusion and optimisation.
Especially since half of the work has already been done.

John.

             reply	other threads:[~2003-09-15  9:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-15  9:39 John Bradford [this message]
2003-09-15  9:58 ` [PATCH] 2.6 workaround for Athlon/Opteron prefetch errata Nick Piggin
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2003-09-16  2:23 richard.brunner
2003-09-15 20:20 Nakajima, Jun
2003-09-15 20:03 Nakajima, Jun
2003-09-15 19:51 richard.brunner
2003-09-16  0:01 ` David Lang
2003-09-16  0:20 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 11:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-16 13:46   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 17:21     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-15 19:34 John Bradford
2003-09-15 19:25 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15 22:28 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-15 19:19 John Bradford
     [not found] <200309150632.h8F6WnHb000589@81-2-122-30.bradfords.org.uk.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <1063611650.2674.1.camel@dhcp23.swansea.linux.org.uk.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2003-09-15 18:29   ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-15 16:21 richard.brunner
2003-09-15 19:15 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 11:46 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-16 13:30   ` Dave Jones
2003-09-16 13:52     ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 15:25       ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-16 16:53         ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 17:22         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-16 17:23       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-18  7:43 ` Pavel Machek
2003-09-18 14:05   ` Dave Jones
2003-09-18 15:56     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-18 17:34   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15 14:21 John Bradford
2003-09-15 12:43 John Bradford
2003-09-15 18:21 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15 12:28 Mikael Pettersson
2003-09-15 18:13 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 11:54 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-15 11:46 John Bradford
2003-09-15 12:38 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-15 13:46   ` Chris Meadors
2003-09-15 14:00     ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-16 15:06   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 15:24     ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-15 10:54 John Bradford
2003-09-15 10:52 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-15 13:45 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-15 18:44   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15  8:31 John Bradford
2003-09-15  8:32 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-15 20:51   ` Adrian Bunk
2003-09-15  6:32 John Bradford
2003-09-15  7:40 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-15 12:02   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15 11:48 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15 20:55 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-09-16  0:26   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-12 21:24 John Bradford
2003-09-11 17:17 richard.brunner
2003-09-13 16:54 ` Pavel Machek
2003-09-11 17:14 richard.brunner
2003-09-11 17:09 richard.brunner
2003-09-11  4:55 richard.brunner
2003-09-11 16:55 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-12 14:14 ` Martin Schlemmer
     [not found] <uqD5.3BI.3@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-11  4:14 ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11  4:58   ` dada1
2003-09-11  5:11     ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11  5:58       ` dada1
2003-09-11  3:43 Nakajima, Jun
2003-09-11  4:03 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-11  0:56 Update on AMD Athlon/Opteron/Athlon64 Prefetch Errata richard.brunner
2003-09-11  1:27 ` [PATCH] 2.6 workaround for Athlon/Opteron prefetch errata Andi Kleen
2003-09-11  1:44   ` Andrew Morton
2003-09-11  1:47     ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 14:15       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-11 14:26         ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 14:34           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-11 14:58             ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 15:06               ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-11 20:08               ` bill davidsen
2003-09-11 19:56             ` bill davidsen
2003-09-11 20:44               ` Alan Cox
2003-09-11 21:29                 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-11 21:38                 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-12 17:32             ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-12 17:56               ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-12 17:59                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-12 18:22                   ` Adrian Bunk
2003-09-12 18:28                     ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-12 18:39                       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-12 18:45                       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-12 18:48                       ` Adrian Bunk
2003-09-12 19:07                         ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-12 19:05                       ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-12 19:30                         ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-12 19:58                           ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-12 20:00                           ` Adrian Bunk
2003-09-15  0:15                           ` bill davidsen
2003-09-14 23:51                       ` bill davidsen
2003-09-14 23:49                     ` bill davidsen
2003-09-14 23:47                 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-15  1:02                   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-09-15  2:08                     ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-15  3:55                     ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15  7:45                       ` Alan Cox
2003-09-15 12:11                         ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15 13:48                           ` Alan Cox
2003-09-15 18:50                             ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-12 18:03               ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-11 13:54   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-11 14:01     ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 14:14       ` Dave Jones
2003-09-11 14:29         ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 14:14     ` Alan Cox
2003-09-11 14:24       ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 14:28         ` Dave Jones
2003-09-11 14:32           ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 20:14         ` bill davidsen
2003-09-11 16:58   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-11 17:05     ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 17:32       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-11 17:39         ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 17:48           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-11 18:18             ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 18:59               ` Jamie Lokier

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