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From: Bill Davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
To: richard.brunner@amd.com
Cc: alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk, zwane@linuxpower.ca,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: RE: [PATCH] 2.6 workaround for Athlon/Opteron prefetch errata
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 15:15:49 -0400 (EDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1030915145137.20945F-100000@gatekeeper.tmr.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <99F2150714F93F448942F9A9F112634C0638B1DE@txexmtae.amd.com>

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 richard.brunner@amd.com wrote:

> I think Alan brought up a very good point. Even if you
> use a generic kernel that avoids prefetch use on Athlon
> (which I am opposed to), it doesn't solve the problem
> of user space programs detecting that the ISA supports
> prefetch and using prefetch instructions and hitting the
> errata on Athlon.
> 
> The user space problem worries me more, because the expectation
> is that if CPUID says the program can use perfetch, it could
> and should regardless of what the kernel decided to do here.
> 
> Andi's patch solves both the kernel space and the user space
> issues in a pretty small footprint.

Clearly AMD would like to avoid having PIV and Athlon optimized kernels,
and to default to adding unnecessary size to the PIV kernel to support
errata in the Athlon. But fighting against having a config which produces
a smaller and faster kernel for all non-Athlon users and all embedded or
otherwise size limited users seems to be just a marketing thing so P4 code
will seem to work correctly on Athlon.

Vendors will build a kernel which runs as well as possible on as many CPUs
as possible, but users who build their own kernel want to build a kernel
for a particular config in most cases and should have the option. There
should be a "support Athlon prefetch" option as well, which turns on
the fix only when it's needed, just as there is for P4 thermal throttling,
F.P. emulation, etc. Why shouldn't this be treated the same way as other
features already in the config menu?

-- 
bill davidsen <davidsen@tmr.com>
  CTO, TMR Associates, Inc
Doing interesting things with little computers since 1979.


  reply	other threads:[~2003-09-15 19:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-15 16:21 [PATCH] 2.6 workaround for Athlon/Opteron prefetch errata richard.brunner
2003-09-15 19:15 ` Bill Davidsen [this message]
2003-09-16 11:46 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-16 13:30   ` Dave Jones
2003-09-16 13:52     ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 15:25       ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-16 16:53         ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 17:22         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-16 17:23       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-18  7:43 ` Pavel Machek
2003-09-18 14:05   ` Dave Jones
2003-09-18 15:56     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-18 17:34   ` Bill Davidsen
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-16  2:23 richard.brunner
2003-09-15 20:20 Nakajima, Jun
2003-09-15 20:03 Nakajima, Jun
2003-09-15 19:51 richard.brunner
2003-09-16  0:01 ` David Lang
2003-09-16  0:20 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 11:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-16 13:46   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 17:21     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-15 19:34 John Bradford
2003-09-15 19:25 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15 22:28 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-15 19:19 John Bradford
     [not found] <200309150632.h8F6WnHb000589@81-2-122-30.bradfords.org.uk.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <1063611650.2674.1.camel@dhcp23.swansea.linux.org.uk.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2003-09-15 18:29   ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-15 14:21 John Bradford
2003-09-15 12:43 John Bradford
2003-09-15 18:21 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15 12:28 Mikael Pettersson
2003-09-15 18:13 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 11:54 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-15 11:46 John Bradford
2003-09-15 12:38 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-15 13:46   ` Chris Meadors
2003-09-15 14:00     ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-16 15:06   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 15:24     ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-15 10:54 John Bradford
2003-09-15 10:52 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-15 13:45 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-15 18:44   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15  9:39 John Bradford
2003-09-15  9:58 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-15  8:31 John Bradford
2003-09-15  8:32 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-15 20:51   ` Adrian Bunk
2003-09-15  6:32 John Bradford
2003-09-15  7:40 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-15 12:02   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15 11:48 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15 20:55 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-09-16  0:26   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-12 21:24 John Bradford
2003-09-11 17:17 richard.brunner
2003-09-13 16:54 ` Pavel Machek
2003-09-11 17:14 richard.brunner
2003-09-11 17:09 richard.brunner
2003-09-11  4:55 richard.brunner
2003-09-11 16:55 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-12 14:14 ` Martin Schlemmer
     [not found] <uqD5.3BI.3@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-11  4:14 ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11  4:58   ` dada1
2003-09-11  5:11     ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11  5:58       ` dada1
2003-09-11  3:43 Nakajima, Jun
2003-09-11  4:03 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-11  0:56 Update on AMD Athlon/Opteron/Athlon64 Prefetch Errata richard.brunner
2003-09-11  1:27 ` [PATCH] 2.6 workaround for Athlon/Opteron prefetch errata Andi Kleen
2003-09-11  1:44   ` Andrew Morton
2003-09-11  1:47     ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 14:15       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-11 14:26         ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 14:34           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-11 14:58             ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 15:06               ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-11 20:08               ` bill davidsen
2003-09-11 19:56             ` bill davidsen
2003-09-11 20:44               ` Alan Cox
2003-09-11 21:29                 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-11 21:38                 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-12 17:32             ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-12 17:56               ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-12 17:59                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-12 18:22                   ` Adrian Bunk
2003-09-12 18:28                     ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-12 18:39                       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-12 18:45                       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-12 18:48                       ` Adrian Bunk
2003-09-12 19:07                         ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-12 19:05                       ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-12 19:30                         ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-12 19:58                           ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-12 20:00                           ` Adrian Bunk
2003-09-15  0:15                           ` bill davidsen
2003-09-14 23:51                       ` bill davidsen
2003-09-14 23:49                     ` bill davidsen
2003-09-14 23:47                 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-15  1:02                   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-09-15  2:08                     ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-15  3:55                     ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15  7:45                       ` Alan Cox
2003-09-15 12:11                         ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15 13:48                           ` Alan Cox
2003-09-15 18:50                             ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-12 18:03               ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-11 13:54   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-11 14:01     ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 14:14       ` Dave Jones
2003-09-11 14:29         ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 14:14     ` Alan Cox
2003-09-11 14:24       ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 14:28         ` Dave Jones
2003-09-11 14:32           ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 20:14         ` bill davidsen
2003-09-11 16:58   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-11 17:05     ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 17:32       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-11 17:39         ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 17:48           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-11 18:18             ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 18:59               ` Jamie Lokier

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