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From: Andi Kleen <ak@muc.de>
To: "Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] 2.6 workaround for Athlon/Opteron prefetch errata
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2003 06:14:50 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m3iso0arlx.fsf@averell.firstfloor.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <uqD5.3BI.3@gated-at.bofh.it> ("Nakajima, Jun"'s message of "Thu, 11 Sep 2003 05:50:07 +0200")

"Nakajima, Jun" <jun.nakajima@intel.com> writes:

>> I would hate to break this again just to save a few hundred bytes in
>> this function. Also the overhead is very low so it is also not
>> interesting to make it conditional for speed reasons.
>
> For maintenance and testing purposes, I think it's still better to make
> it conditional. If the errata are fixed, you might want to kill the
> condition depending on the stepping, for example. During the transition
> time, you need to support both the steppings until old ones go away
> (then remove the workaround).

My understanding is that it will never be fixed on the K7 (current Athlons),
And these will be with us for a long time; more or less forever, just like
the f00f bug :-)

I would agree with you if the patch had some bad impact on common
paths, but I don't think that's the case here. It merely adds a cheap check
to an already slow path.

On the other hand the errata is so unlikely that I doubt it will be frequently
hit anyways. 2.6 kernel hitting it was just very very unlucky, and it
only did so very infrequently.

Just to fix the kernel we could have chosen a different workaround, like
adding an exception table entry to each prefetch and jumping back
(I did that on the x86-64 port originally). But this way is also not that bad
and it fixes hypothetical user space programs that could maybe hit it too.

Of course they may want to also fix it in a different way to run on older
kernels (e.g. handling the signal in user space or avoiding the conditions).
But doing it centrally in the kernel is a bit cleaner and at some point
people have to update their kernels anyways.

-Andi

       reply	other threads:[~2003-09-11  4:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 126+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <uqD5.3BI.3@gated-at.bofh.it>
2003-09-11  4:14 ` Andi Kleen [this message]
2003-09-11  4:58   ` [PATCH] 2.6 workaround for Athlon/Opteron prefetch errata dada1
2003-09-11  5:11     ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11  5:58       ` dada1
2003-09-11 12:09         ` Network buffer hang was " Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 13:17           ` dada1
2003-09-12  1:46             ` Ben Greear
2003-09-12  1:41               ` David S. Miller
2003-09-16  2:23 richard.brunner
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2003-09-15 20:20 Nakajima, Jun
2003-09-15 20:03 Nakajima, Jun
2003-09-15 19:51 richard.brunner
2003-09-16  0:01 ` David Lang
2003-09-16  0:20 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 11:50 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-16 13:46   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 17:21     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-15 19:34 John Bradford
2003-09-15 19:25 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15 22:28 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-15 19:19 John Bradford
     [not found] <200309150632.h8F6WnHb000589@81-2-122-30.bradfords.org.uk.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
     [not found] ` <1063611650.2674.1.camel@dhcp23.swansea.linux.org.uk.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2003-09-15 18:29   ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-15 16:21 richard.brunner
2003-09-15 19:15 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 11:46 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-16 13:30   ` Dave Jones
2003-09-16 13:52     ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 15:25       ` Timothy Miller
2003-09-16 16:53         ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 17:22         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-16 17:23       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-18  7:43 ` Pavel Machek
2003-09-18 14:05   ` Dave Jones
2003-09-18 15:56     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-18 17:34   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15 14:21 John Bradford
2003-09-15 12:43 John Bradford
2003-09-15 18:21 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15 12:28 Mikael Pettersson
2003-09-15 18:13 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 11:54 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-15 11:46 John Bradford
2003-09-15 12:38 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-15 13:46   ` Chris Meadors
2003-09-15 14:00     ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-16 15:06   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-16 15:24     ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-15 10:54 John Bradford
2003-09-15 10:52 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-15 13:45 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-15 18:44   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15  9:39 John Bradford
2003-09-15  9:58 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-15  8:31 John Bradford
2003-09-15  8:32 ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-15 20:51   ` Adrian Bunk
2003-09-15  6:32 John Bradford
2003-09-15  7:40 ` Alan Cox
2003-09-15 12:02   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15 11:48 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15 20:55 ` Adrian Bunk
2003-09-16  0:26   ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-12 21:24 John Bradford
2003-09-11 17:17 richard.brunner
2003-09-13 16:54 ` Pavel Machek
2003-09-11 17:14 richard.brunner
2003-09-11 17:09 richard.brunner
2003-09-11  4:55 richard.brunner
2003-09-11 16:55 ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-12 14:14 ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-11  3:43 Nakajima, Jun
2003-09-11  4:03 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-09-11  0:56 Update on AMD Athlon/Opteron/Athlon64 Prefetch Errata richard.brunner
2003-09-11  1:27 ` [PATCH] 2.6 workaround for Athlon/Opteron prefetch errata Andi Kleen
2003-09-11  1:44   ` Andrew Morton
2003-09-11  1:47     ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 14:15       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-11 14:26         ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 14:34           ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-11 14:58             ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 15:06               ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-11 20:08               ` bill davidsen
2003-09-11 19:56             ` bill davidsen
2003-09-11 20:44               ` Alan Cox
2003-09-11 21:29                 ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-11 21:38                 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-12 17:32             ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-09-12 17:56               ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-12 17:59                 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-12 18:22                   ` Adrian Bunk
2003-09-12 18:28                     ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-12 18:39                       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-12 18:45                       ` Jeff Garzik
2003-09-12 18:48                       ` Adrian Bunk
2003-09-12 19:07                         ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-12 19:05                       ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-12 19:30                         ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-12 19:58                           ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-12 20:00                           ` Adrian Bunk
2003-09-15  0:15                           ` bill davidsen
2003-09-14 23:51                       ` bill davidsen
2003-09-14 23:49                     ` bill davidsen
2003-09-14 23:47                 ` bill davidsen
2003-09-15  1:02                   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2003-09-15  2:08                     ` Nick Piggin
2003-09-15  3:55                     ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15  7:45                       ` Alan Cox
2003-09-15 12:11                         ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-15 13:48                           ` Alan Cox
2003-09-15 18:50                             ` Bill Davidsen
2003-09-12 18:03               ` Mike Fedyk
2003-09-11 13:54   ` Linus Torvalds
2003-09-11 14:01     ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 14:14       ` Dave Jones
2003-09-11 14:29         ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 14:14     ` Alan Cox
2003-09-11 14:24       ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 14:28         ` Dave Jones
2003-09-11 14:32           ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 20:14         ` bill davidsen
2003-09-11 16:58   ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-11 17:05     ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 17:32       ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-11 17:39         ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 17:48           ` Jamie Lokier
2003-09-11 18:18             ` Andi Kleen
2003-09-11 18:59               ` Jamie Lokier

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