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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>
To: Nigel Cunningham <ncunningham@linuxmail.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@digeo.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Suspend 2 merge: 21/51: Refrigerator upgrade.
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 01:18:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20041126001811.GN2711@elf.ucw.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1101427927.27250.182.camel@desktop.cunninghams>

Hi!

> > > > > > Silently doing nothing when user asked for sync is not nice,
> > > > > > either. BUG() is better solution than that.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I don't think we should BUG because the user presses Sys-Rq S while
> > > > > suspending. I'll make it BUG_ON() and make the Sys_Rq printk & ignore
> > > > > when suspending. Sound reasonable?
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, that's better. ... only that it means just another hook somewhere
> > > > :-(.
> > > 
> > > :<. But we're only talking two or three lines. Let's keep it in
> > > perspective.
> > 
> > I think even three lines are bad. It means that swsusp is no longer
> > self-contained subsystem, but that it has its hooks all over the
> > place. And those hooks need to be maintained, too.
> 
> Yes, but suspending can't practically be a self contained system. We can
> try to convince ourselves that we're making it self contained by hiding
> behind the driver model, but in reality, the driver model is just a nice
> name for our sticky little fingers in all the other drivers, ensuring
> they do the right thing when we want to go to sleep. Hooks in other code
> is just the equivalent, but without the nice name. Perhaps I should
> invent one. How about the "quiescing subsystem"? :>

I know it can't be self-contained, but it should be as self-contained
as possible.

And driver-model means that interaction between swsusp and rest of the
code is pretty well defined and driver authors do not need to
understand the swsusp to properly support it.

Plus driver-model is usefull for suspend-to-ram, too.
								Pavel
-- 
People were complaining that M$ turns users into beta-testers...
...jr ghea gurz vagb qrirybcref, naq gurl frrz gb yvxr vg gung jnl!

  reply	other threads:[~2004-11-27  5:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 241+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-11-24 12:56 Suspend 2 merge Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:56 ` Suspend2 merge: 1/51: Device trees Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:56 ` Suspend2 merge: 2/51: Find class by name Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:57 ` Suspend 2 merge: 3/51: e820 table support Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 16:53   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-24 12:57 ` Suspend 2 merge: 4/51: Get module list Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 16:56   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 21:25     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 21:32       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-24 12:57 ` Suspend 2 merge: 5/51: Workthread freezer support Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 16:57   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-24 12:57 ` Suspend 2 merge: 7/51: Reboot handler hook Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 13:07   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-11-24 20:19     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25  2:37       ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:57 ` Suspend 2 merge: 8/51: /proc/acpi/sleep hook Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 13:13   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-11-24 12:57 ` Suspend 2 merge: 9/51: init/* changes Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 17:07   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 21:36     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 21:45       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 21:51         ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 21:58           ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 22:03             ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 22:30               ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-27  2:14     ` Matthew Garrett
2004-11-27  7:22       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-27  9:31         ` Herbert Xu
2004-11-27 13:21           ` Matthew Garrett
2004-11-27 16:20             ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-28 22:43             ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:57 ` Suspend 2 merge: 10/51: Exports for suspend built as modules Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 13:12   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-11-24 21:52     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 14:44   ` Ingo Molnar
2004-11-24 20:46     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 18:07   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 21:40     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 21:50       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-24 12:57 ` Suspend 2 merge: 11/51: Export vt functions Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:57 ` Suspend 2 merge:L 12/51: Disable OOM killer when suspending Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 18:12   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 21:47     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 21:54       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-24 12:57 ` Suspend 2 merge: 13/51: Disable highmem tlb flush for copyback Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 18:13   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-24 12:57 ` Suspend 2 merge: 14/51: Disable page alloc failure message when suspending Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 14:15   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-11-24 20:46     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 16:00   ` Dave Hansen
2004-11-24 21:06     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 22:25       ` Dave Hansen
2004-11-25 18:15   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 21:49     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 21:56       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 22:46         ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 23:22           ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-24 12:58 ` Suspend 2 merge: 15/51: Disable pdflush during suspend Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:58 ` Suspend 2 merge: 16/51: Disable cache reaping " Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 18:18   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 22:00     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:58 ` Suspend 2 merge: 17/51: Disable MCE checking " Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 18:19   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 22:05     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 22:31       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 22:38         ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 22:45           ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-24 12:58 ` Suspend 2 merge: 18/51: Debug page_alloc support Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 16:02   ` Dave Hansen
2004-11-24 20:17     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 22:26       ` Dave Hansen
2004-11-25 18:21   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 22:06     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:58 ` Suspend 2 merge: 19/51: Remove MTRR sysdev support Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 16:27   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-11-24 20:17     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 18:22   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-28 22:34     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:58 ` Suspend 2 merge: 20/51: Timer freezer (experimental) Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:58 ` Suspend 2 merge: 21/51: Refrigerator upgrade Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 18:33   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 22:10     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 22:36       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 22:49         ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 23:25           ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 23:49             ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-26  0:05               ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-26  0:12                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-26  0:18                   ` Pavel Machek [this message]
2004-11-27 17:18                   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-26 21:00       ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-11-24 12:58 ` Suspend 2 merge: 22/51: Suspend2 lowlevel code Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 16:42   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-11-24 21:20     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 21:55       ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-11-24 21:56         ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 18:39   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 22:15     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 22:38       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-24 12:58 ` Suspend 2 merge: 23/51: PPC support Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 18:40   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 22:15     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:59 ` Suspend 2 merge: 24/51: Keyboard and serial console hooks Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 13:29   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-11-24 18:47     ` Yaroslav Rastrigin
2004-11-24 21:38     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 21:57     ` Jan Rychter
2004-11-24 23:02       ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-11-25  1:22         ` Jan Rychter
2004-11-25 10:08           ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-11-26 20:21         ` pb
2004-11-25 19:28     ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-28 22:34       ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-28 23:39         ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-29 22:15           ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:59 ` Suspend 2 merge: 25/51: Documentation Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:59 ` Suspend 2 merge: 26/51: Kconfig and makefile Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 16:34   ` Roman Zippel
2004-11-24 21:11     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 21:46       ` Roman Zippel
2004-11-24 21:53         ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25  2:37     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:59 ` Suspend 2 merge: 27/51: Block I/O module Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:59 ` Suspend 2 merge: 28/51: Suspend memory pool hooks Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 19:34   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-24 12:59 ` Suspend 2 merge: 29/51: Clear swapfile bdev in swapoff Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:59 ` Suspend 2 merge: 30/51: Enable slab alloc fallback to suspend memory pool Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 19:36   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-24 12:59 ` Suspend 2 merge: 31/51: Export tlb flushing Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 15:32   ` Martin J. Bligh
2004-11-24 21:04     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:59 ` Suspend 2 merge: 32/51: Make show task non-static Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 12:59 ` Suspend 2 merge: 33/51: More documentation Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 13:00 ` Suspend 2 merge: 34/51: Includes Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 13:25   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-11-24 20:17     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 23:19       ` Matthew Garrett
2004-11-25  2:43         ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 13:00 ` Suspend 2 merge: 35/51: Code always built in to the kernel Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 23:32   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 23:57     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-26  0:08       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-26  0:17         ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-26  0:23           ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-27  2:19       ` Matthew Garrett
2004-11-28 22:39         ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-27  9:00       ` Jan Rychter
2004-11-27 17:22         ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-24 13:00 ` Suspend 2 merge: 36/51: Highlevel I/O routines Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 23:36   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-27  1:39     ` Tomas Carnecky
2004-11-24 13:00 ` Suspend 2 merge: 37/51: Memory pool support Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 23:37   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-24 13:00 ` Suspend 2 merge: 38/51: Page directory support Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 13:01 ` Suspend 2 merge: 39/51: Plugins support Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 13:01 ` Suspend 2 merge: 40/51: Prepare image Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 13:01 ` Suspend 2 merge: 41/51: Ranges (extents) Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 13:01 ` Suspend 2 merge: 42/51: Suspend.c Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 16:52   ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2004-11-24 21:23     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 23:43   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-24 13:01 ` Suspend 2 merge: 43/51: Utility functions Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 23:46   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-26  0:04     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-27 16:11       ` Dave Hansen
2004-11-28 21:36         ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 13:01 ` Suspend 2 merge: 44/51: Text UI plugin Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 13:02 ` Suspend 2 merge: 45/51: Bootsplash support Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 13:02 ` Suspend 2 merge: 46/51: LZF support Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 23:01   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2004-11-25  2:38     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25  6:32       ` hugang
2004-11-25  6:52         ` Dmitry Torokhov
2004-11-25  7:07           ` hugang
2004-11-25 10:10           ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-11-24 13:02 ` Suspend 2 merge: 47/51: GZIP support Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 23:50   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-24 13:02 ` Suspend 2 merge: 48/51: Swapwriter Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 23:55   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-26  0:05     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 13:02 ` Suspend 2 merge: 49/51: Checksumming Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 23:56   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-26  0:00     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-26  0:14       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-29  9:55   ` Rob Landley
2004-11-30  0:24     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-29 23:30       ` Rob Landley
2004-11-30  0:49         ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-30 13:07           ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-30 21:45             ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-30 13:02     ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-30 13:38       ` Matthew Garrett
2004-11-30 22:38         ` Pavel Machek
2004-12-02 21:31       ` Rob Landley
2004-11-24 13:02 ` Suspend 2 merge: 50/51: Device mapper support Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 23:58   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-26  0:07     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-12-02 20:40       ` Alasdair G Kergon
2004-12-02 21:04         ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-12-02 21:49           ` Alasdair G Kergon
2004-12-02 22:08             ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-12-03 17:47               ` Alasdair G Kergon
2004-12-03 19:57                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-12-03 20:12                   ` Alasdair G Kergon
2004-12-14  0:47                     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 13:03 ` Suspend 2 merge: 51/51: Notes Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-26  0:01   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-26  0:09     ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-26  0:24       ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-24 13:03 ` Suspend 2 merge: 6/51 Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-24 13:28 ` Suspend 2 merge Christoph Hellwig
2004-11-24 20:46   ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 19:20     ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 22:34       ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-25 23:22         ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-25 23:46           ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-26  0:39             ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-26  9:08               ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-26 12:38                 ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-26 15:54                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-11-26 22:36                     ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-28 22:35                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-28 23:55                     ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-29  3:20                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-29 13:03                         ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-30  0:24                           ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-30 10:19                             ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]               ` <20041126082109.GA842@hugang.soulinfo.com>
2004-11-26 13:25                 ` Pavel Machek
     [not found]               ` <20041126043203.GA2713@hugang.soulinfo.com>
2004-11-26  9:08                 ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-26 13:37                   ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-26 13:31                 ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-28 21:40               ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-29  9:34             ` Stefan Seyfried
2004-11-29 22:20               ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-29 22:34                 ` Pavel Machek
2004-11-30 12:16                 ` Stefan Seyfried
2004-11-30 21:16                   ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-11-30 22:20                     ` Pavel Machek
2004-12-01  9:27                       ` Nigel Cunningham
2004-12-01 10:08                         ` Pavel Machek
2004-12-01 20:39                           ` Nigel Cunningham

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