E-cards for You

E-cards for You

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Greetings!

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Re: E-cards for You

[James Colannino]

e-cards@e-cards.com wrote:

>Greetings!
>
> has sent you an E-Card -- a virtual postcard from
>TheArtHaven.com. You can pickup your card at the TheArtHaven.com website.
>  
>

This is the first time I've ever seen someone send an e-card to a 
mailing list...

James

Re: E-cards for You

[Gene Heskett]

On Thursday 17 February 2005 16:20, James Colannino wrote:
>e-cards@e-cards.com wrote:
>>Greetings!
>>
>> has sent you an E-Card -- a virtual postcard from
>>TheArtHaven.com. You can pickup your card at the TheArtHaven.com
>> website.
>
>This is the first time I've ever seen someone send an e-card to a
>mailing list...
>
Not here, its entirely too common of late.  Spamassassin to the 
rescue...

>James

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Re: E-cards for You

[Chuck Harding]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Gene Heskett wrote:

> On Thursday 17 February 2005 16:20, James Colannino wrote:
>> e-cards@e-cards.com wrote:
>>> Greetings!
>>>
>>> has sent you an E-Card -- a virtual postcard from
>>> TheArtHaven.com. You can pickup your card at the TheArtHaven.com
>>> website.
>>
>> This is the first time I've ever seen someone send an e-card to a
>> mailing list...
>>
> Not here, its entirely too common of late.  Spamassassin to the
> rescue...
>
>> James
>
>

Why can't the list owners apply spamassassin to the list's *incoming*
mail stream so we don't ever see this stuff? Nearly every one of the
lists hosted on vger.kernel.org get spammed on a regular basis because
there is no spam filtering before the messages get passed to majordomo.

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Re: E-cards for You

[Thomas Gleixner]

On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 14:03 -0800, Chuck Harding wrote:
> Why can't the list owners apply spamassassin to the list's *incoming*
> mail stream so we don't ever see this stuff? Nearly every one of the
> lists hosted on vger.kernel.org get spammed on a regular basis because
> there is no spam filtering before the messages get passed to majordomo.

Are we reading different mailing lists ? 

tglx

Re: E-cards for You

[Lee Revell]

On Thu, 2005-02-17 at 14:03 -0800, Chuck Harding wrote:
> Why can't the list owners apply spamassassin to the list's *incoming*
> mail stream so we don't ever see this stuff? Nearly every one of the
> lists hosted on vger.kernel.org get spammed on a regular basis because
> there is no spam filtering before the messages get passed to majordomo.
> 

Do you actually think there is no spam filtering on the vger lists?  Do
you have any idea what this list would look like if there were really no
spam filtering?

Lee

Re: E-cards for You

[Matti Aarnio]

On Thu, Feb 17, 2005 at 02:03:08PM -0800, Chuck Harding wrote:
> Why can't the list owners apply spamassassin to the list's *incoming*
> mail stream so we don't ever see this stuff? Nearly every one of the
> lists hosted on vger.kernel.org get spammed on a regular basis because
> there is no spam filtering before the messages get passed to majordomo.

Perhaps because way too big a share of diffs do get blocked
by people's SAs out there...  CHICKENPOX indeed...

Trust me to prefer erring on too liberal instead of blocking 
too much.

> -- 
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/Matti Aarnio - one of  <postmaster@vger.kernel.org>

Re: E-cards for You

[Michelle Konzack]

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Am 2005-02-17 14:03:08, schrieb Chuck Harding:

> Why can't the list owners apply spamassassin to the list's *incoming*
> mail stream so we don't ever see this stuff? Nearly every one of the
> lists hosted on vger.kernel.org get spammed on a regular basis because
> there is no spam filtering before the messages get passed to majordomo.

Sorry ?

I remember, that for some month I have gotten minimum 15 SPAMs per
day from this List. Siche two (???) month it is very silent here..

I think, there was an Admin which had changed the SPAM-Filter setings.

But one thing:

I an subscribed with two E-Mails to this list, the first one is
secret and get all the mails from the List... SPAM is very rarely.

The second E-Mail is, which I use to post here... and on which I
get per day between 300 and 6000 SPAMs.

I run my own spamassassin on my FileServer for all incoming Messges
and see only 5-20 messages coming through my filters.

Same for the 56 Debian mailinglist where I am subscribed.

I do not know, what happen if kernel.org and debian.org deactivate
the filters... maybe the Internet connection will not sufficiant to
distribute the SPAM.


Greetings
Michelle

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Re: E-cards for You

[Marco Iannantuoni]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:20:48 -0800
James Colannino <lkml@colannino.org> wrote:

> e-cards@e-cards.com wrote:
> 
> >Greetings!
> >
> > has sent you an E-Card -- a virtual postcard from
> >TheArtHaven.com. You can pickup your card at the TheArtHaven.com website.
> >  
> >
> 
> This is the first time I've ever seen someone send an e-card to a 
> mailing list...
> 
> James

yeah.. :)

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Re: E-cards for You

[Chuck Harding]

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Michelle Konzack wrote:

>Sorry ?
>
>I remember, that for some month I have gotten minimum 15 SPAMs per
>day from this List. Siche two (???) month it is very silent here..
>
>  
>
I am subscribed to several of the vger.kernel.org lists and the *same* 
spam gets dumped on each of them.
I have *no* problem whatsoever having the lists be open to posting so 
that anyone having a problem with
getting the kernel or other parts of Linux to work for them will be able 
to access the collective knowlege of
the community. But, my desktop machine is capable of identifying the 
garbage that gets dumped on the lists
without much problem. I am using a triple layered approach - 
SpamAssassin, SpamBayes, and SpamBouncer,
to filter all of my incoming mail. This approach works very well in that 
it has a miniscule false-positive rate, yet
catches all of the 419, phish, E-cards, etc, etc, etc, that get sent to 
the list. I am only an end-user in that I do
not control the mailservers that receive the spams from vger.kernel.org 
but my setup can certainly identify
without fail the junk sent through the lists. So my question is really, 
if my puny little end-user setup can determine
which messages sent to /whatever-list@/vger.kernel.org are spam, why 
can't the admins at vger.kernel.org
set up the same kind of filtering so that the junk never even gets into 
the outbound majordomo queue? I've
set up majordomo and I know how the internals work and how messages get 
run through the architecture.
I know it's possible to filter the incoming messages *to* majordomo. The 
spam is coming through majordomo
through the list. If you expand your MUA's view of the message so that 
you see all of the headers in the
message, you will see that the spammage goes through the same processing 
as any other legitimate message.
Your two-address scheme has other functionality in play to explain the 
difference in the number of spam message
are received. I am only talking about messages processed through 
majordomo@vger.kenel.org

>I think, there was an Admin which had changed the SPAM-Filter setings.
>
>But one thing:
>
>I an subscribed with two E-Mails to this list, the first one is
>secret and get all the mails from the List... SPAM is very rarely.
>
>The second E-Mail is, which I use to post here... and on which I
>get per day between 300 and 6000 SPAMs.
>
>I run my own spamassassin on my FileServer for all incoming Messges
>and see only 5-20 messages coming through my filters.
>
>Same for the 56 Debian mailinglist where I am subscribed.
>
>I do not know, what happen if kernel.org and debian.org deactivate
>the filters... maybe the Internet connection will not sufficiant to
>distribute the SPAM.
>
>
>Greetings
>Michelle
>
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Re: E-cards for You

[Thomas Gleixner]

On Tue, 2005-02-22 at 00:48 -0800, Chuck Harding wrote:
> it has a miniscule false-positive rate, yet
> catches all of the 419, phish, E-cards, etc, etc, etc, that get sent to 
> the list. I am only an end-user in that I do

419 spam mails in what timespan ? 

I get max. 1 per day which is really sent through the maillist. I guess
the list is hit by min. 5000 per day, so what. Want you really to bitch
about the one which slips through ?

Of course my spam filters / mail server get rid of dozens per day which
pretend to come from the maillist.

> can't the admins at vger.kernel.org
> set up the same kind of filtering so that the junk never even gets into 
> the outbound majordomo queue? I've

Can you imagine what happens when they remove the filters ?

tglx