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From: Russell King <rmk+lkml@arm.linux.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.cz>,
	Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	dean gaudet <dean-list-linux-kernel@arctic.org>,
	Chris Wedgwood <cw@f00f.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	"Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>,
	dtor_core@ameritech.net, david.lang@digitalinsight.com,
	davidsen@tmr.com, kernel@kolivas.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mbligh@mbligh.org,
	diegocg@gmail.com, azarah@nosferatu.za.org,
	christoph@lameter.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 21:30:23 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20050714213023.F10410@flint.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0507141302210.19183@g5.osdl.org>; from torvalds@osdl.org on Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 01:06:00PM -0700

On Thu, Jul 14, 2005 at 01:06:00PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Russell King wrote:
> > Umm.  Except, according to your description of what it's supposed to
> > do, the above code can have an accumulating error.
> 
> No. It can have a local drift, but the point is, the error never gets 
> worse - it _stays_ local.
> 
> There's no point in polling twice in immediate succession just because a 
> sleep overslept. That's like a security guard testing each door twice for 
> being locked, just because he overslept one round. Pointless.

That depends what you're trying to achieve.  If you're trying to achieve
an average interval of 10ms over half a second, your solution won't get
that, whereas mine will.

> But what matters is that you don't let your local errors accumulate into 
> the big picture.

Precisely - it's all about "the big picture" and what the requirements
there are.  My requirements for "once every 10ms" may be different from
yours.

An example may be best.  You need to toggle an IO output at 50Hz for
half a second but you don't care at all about the duty cycle.  You
do care about it being as close as possible 50Hz, and not 40Hz
because for whatever reason it's taking you a hypothetical (*) 2ms
latency between timer expiry either time.

(* - yes, I know we don't like that word here... 8) but I'm trying
to make a point through exaggeration, so I'm covering my ass when
someone says "but 2ms is a bloody stupid latency!".)

-- 
Russell King
 Linux kernel    2.6 ARM Linux   - http://www.arm.linux.org.uk/
 maintainer of:  2.6 Serial core

  reply	other threads:[~2005-07-14 20:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 238+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200506231828.j5NISlCe020350@hera.kernel.org>
2005-07-08 21:49 ` [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-08 21:59   ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-08 22:05     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-08 22:08     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-10 10:45       ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-07-08 22:22     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-08 22:33       ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-08 22:59     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-08 23:03       ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-08 23:14         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-08 23:29           ` David S. Miller
2005-07-08 23:40             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 17:08     ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-07-09 18:16       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 18:31         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-07-09 18:33           ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-09 18:36           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 19:12             ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-09 19:16               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 20:30                 ` randy_dunlap
2005-07-09 21:25                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 23:30                     ` Randy Dunlap
2005-07-11 18:35                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-11 13:23                 ` Alan Cox
2005-07-11 14:05                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-07-11 14:08                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-07-11 15:18                       ` Alan Cox
2005-07-12  2:13                       ` Eric St-Laurent
2005-07-11 16:02                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-15 12:17                       ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-13 15:59                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-13 16:47                       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-10  0:44           ` pmarques
2005-07-09 18:39         ` Diego Calleja
2005-07-09 18:41           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 18:49             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 18:50               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-11 18:38             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-11 20:25               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-11 20:39                 ` Chris Friesen
2005-07-12  0:30                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12  4:07                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12  4:13                       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12  4:30                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 14:21                           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 14:24                           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 14:56                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 15:00                               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 15:08                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 15:10                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 15:22                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 19:30                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 20:58                           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 22:22                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-13  5:37                               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 10:38                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-13 18:42                                 ` High irq load (Re: [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt) Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 14:25                                   ` Peter Osterlund
2005-07-18  5:53                                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2005-07-12  0:38               ` [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt George Anzinger
2005-07-12 12:10                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-12 12:39                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-07-12 12:52                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-07-12 15:57                       ` George Anzinger
2005-07-12 16:27                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-13 16:26                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-13 16:46                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 17:24                             ` David Lang
2005-07-13 18:42                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-13 19:10                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-13 19:13                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 19:32                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-07-13 19:33                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-13 20:02                                         ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-07-13 20:17                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 20:24                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 20:48                                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-13 21:16                                           ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-13 21:24                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 21:35                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-13 21:37                                               ` Chris Friesen
2005-07-13 21:56                                               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-13 23:07                                               ` George Anzinger
2005-07-13 21:29                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-13 21:30                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 23:41                                             ` dean gaudet
2005-07-14  0:07                                               ` Petr Vandrovec
2005-07-14  9:24                                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-14 14:20                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14 18:05                                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-14 18:20                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14  0:51                                               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-14  1:13                                                 ` dean gaudet
2005-07-14  1:33                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14  1:54                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14  7:42                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-07-14 12:13                                                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-14 16:37                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 17:02                                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-07-14 17:21                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 19:09                                                                 ` Russell King
2005-07-14 20:06                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 20:30                                                                     ` Russell King [this message]
2005-07-15  8:15                                                                     ` Gerd Knorr
2005-07-14 20:38                                                                 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2005-07-14 17:42                                                               ` Al Boldi
2005-07-14 19:42                                                               ` john stultz
2005-07-14 20:13                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 20:41                                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-07-14 23:03                                                                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-14 21:54                                                                   ` john stultz
2005-07-14 22:43                                                                   ` Alan Cox
2005-07-14 23:19                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15 12:33                                                                       ` Alan Cox
2005-07-14 17:10                                                             ` Chris Friesen
2005-07-14 17:24                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 19:18                                                             ` john stultz
2005-07-14 22:37                                                             ` Alan Cox
2005-07-14 23:13                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 23:32                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15  1:17                                                               ` Eric St-Laurent
2005-07-14 23:17                                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14 23:25                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 23:41                                                                 ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14 23:49                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 23:53                                                                     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15 12:42                                                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-14 23:57                                                                     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15  2:30                                                                     ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-07-15 12:46                                                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-15 16:46                                                                         ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-07-30  5:49                                                                     ` [GIT PATCH] ACPI patches for 2.6.13 Len Brown
2005-07-30  9:58                                                                       ` [ACPI] " Pavel Machek
2005-08-03 23:16                                                                       ` [GIT PATCH] ACPI patches for 2.6.13-rc5 Len Brown
2005-08-04 17:11                                                                         ` [GIT PATCH] ACPI patches for 2.6.13-rc5+ Len Brown
2005-08-15 20:35                                                                           ` [GIT PATCH] ACPI patch for 2.6.13-rc6 Len Brown
2005-07-14 23:50                                                                 ` [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt Lee Revell
2005-07-15  4:08                                                                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-07-15  4:17                                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15  4:54                                                                     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-15 16:59                                                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15 14:51                                                                         ` kernel
2005-07-14 18:00                                                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-14  8:38                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-07-14 14:55                                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14 15:02                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-07-14 15:25                                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15 11:38                                                             ` [OT] high precision hardware (was Re: [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt) Paul Jakma
2005-07-15 15:57                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-07-15 16:13                                                                 ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14  2:08                                                   ` [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt Lee Revell
2005-07-14  9:56                                                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-15  0:04                                             ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-15  0:15                                               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15  0:17                                                 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-15  0:42                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15  8:41                                                     ` Russell King
2005-07-15  0:24                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15  1:40                                                   ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-15  2:00                                                   ` Eric St-Laurent
2005-07-15 19:58                                                     ` Stephen Pollei
2005-07-16  5:16                                                       ` Eric St-Laurent
2005-07-15  2:07                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-15  9:36                                                     ` Matthias Urlichs
2005-07-15  3:46                                                   ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-15  5:04                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15 13:12                                                       ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-17  2:13                                                         ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-17  2:35                                                           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-17  2:35                                                           ` Nish Aravamudan
2005-07-17  3:55                                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-23 23:40                                                               ` randy_dunlap
2005-07-25 13:26                                                                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-23 23:48                                                     ` randy_dunlap
2005-07-23 23:52                                                       ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-24 12:58                                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-15  8:44                                                   ` Russell King
2005-07-15 15:41                                           ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-13 20:02                                     ` Diego Calleja
2005-07-13 19:35                                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-07-13 19:41                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-13 19:53                                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-07-14 10:04                                         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-13 19:52                                   ` George Anzinger
2005-07-13 23:54                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-07-14  0:43                                     ` George Anzinger
2005-07-14 10:25                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-07-14 12:19                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-14 21:19                                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-07-15  1:19                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-12 13:30                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-12 14:05                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-12 16:07                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-12 15:26                       ` [PATCH] " Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 17:50                         ` john stultz
2005-07-12 22:30                           ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2005-07-12 17:56                 ` john stultz
2005-07-12  0:45               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-11 13:18     ` Alan Cox
     [not found] <F7DC2337C7631D4386A2DF6E8FB22B300410F46A@hdsmsx401.amr.corp.intel.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2005-07-15 17:02 ` Andi Kleen
2005-07-15 17:23   ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2005-07-15 17:54     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-15 17:58       ` Andi Kleen
2005-07-18 10:47         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-15 18:01       ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2005-07-18 11:17         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-15 17:57     ` Andi Kleen
2005-07-15 18:09       ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2005-07-15 16:33 Brown, Len
2005-07-15 16:54 ` Chris Wedgwood
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-07-14 21:35 Brown, Len
2005-07-15  9:37 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-05-16 19:45 christoph
2005-05-16 20:51 ` Lee Revell
2005-05-17  0:55   ` christoph
2005-05-17 23:25     ` Lee Revell
2005-05-17 23:48       ` Nish Aravamudan
2005-05-18  0:03       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-18  0:08         ` Lee Revell
2005-05-16 22:09 ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-17  2:38   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-17  2:46     ` randy_dunlap
2005-05-17  2:55       ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-17  3:01         ` randy_dunlap
2005-05-17  3:37         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-17  3:40           ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-17 10:51             ` Paulo Marques
2005-05-17 13:19               ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-17  5:31           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-17 13:44             ` Joe Korty
2005-05-17 13:58               ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-17 15:43               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-18 18:50           ` Pavel Machek
2005-05-18 19:03             ` Lee Revell
2005-05-18 20:41               ` Tony Lindgren
2005-05-18 19:25             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-18 20:46               ` Tony Lindgren
2005-05-17  3:01     ` Coywolf Qi Hunt

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