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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Vojtech Pavlik <vojtech@suse.cz>,
	Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>,
	Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	dean gaudet <dean-list-linux-kernel@arctic.org>,
	Chris Wedgwood <cw@f00f.org>, Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	"Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>,
	dtor_core@ameritech.net, david.lang@digitalinsight.com,
	davidsen@tmr.com, kernel@kolivas.org,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	mbligh@mbligh.org, diegocg@gmail.com, azarah@nosferatu.za.org,
	christoph@lameter.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:32:52 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0507141627400.19183@g5.osdl.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0507141600540.19183@g5.osdl.org>



On Thu, 14 Jul 2005, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> But what you can do is to have HZ at some reasonably high value (ie in the 
> kHz range), and then slow down the system clock to conserve energy, and 
> increment jiffies by 16 or 32 when in "slow clock mode".

Btw, it doesn't have to even be a slow-down due to the kernels decision.

In a VM environment, the timer interrupt might be erratic, and the timer 
interrupt might read some hardware register (TSC or something) and use 
_that_ to increment jiffies by the "proper" amount.

See? The point is that "jiffies" is useful exactly because it's very cheap 
to read portably (there are no portable high-performance alternatives) and 
because it has the right resolution to be useful in 32 bits.

That doesn't mean that the code that updates it can't be clever. We
already have code that updates it that is a lot more intelligent than 99%
of the code that reads it:  we update it in 64 bits under xtime_lock, even
though most readers use a lock-less 32-bit read and only get a partial
value - the part they care about.

And this is a wonderful property that everybody seems to be ignoring, even 
though we have absolutely tons of code that just takes all of this 
goodness for granted.

		Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2005-07-14 23:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 238+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200506231828.j5NISlCe020350@hera.kernel.org>
2005-07-08 21:49 ` [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-08 21:59   ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-08 22:05     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-08 22:08     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-10 10:45       ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-07-08 22:22     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-08 22:33       ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-08 22:59     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-08 23:03       ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-08 23:14         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-08 23:29           ` David S. Miller
2005-07-08 23:40             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 17:08     ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-07-09 18:16       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 18:31         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-07-09 18:33           ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-09 18:36           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 19:12             ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-09 19:16               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 20:30                 ` randy_dunlap
2005-07-09 21:25                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 23:30                     ` Randy Dunlap
2005-07-11 18:35                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-11 13:23                 ` Alan Cox
2005-07-11 14:05                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-07-11 14:08                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-07-11 15:18                       ` Alan Cox
2005-07-12  2:13                       ` Eric St-Laurent
2005-07-11 16:02                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-15 12:17                       ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-13 15:59                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-13 16:47                       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-10  0:44           ` pmarques
2005-07-09 18:39         ` Diego Calleja
2005-07-09 18:41           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 18:49             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 18:50               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-11 18:38             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-11 20:25               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-11 20:39                 ` Chris Friesen
2005-07-12  0:30                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12  4:07                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12  4:13                       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12  4:30                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 14:21                           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 14:24                           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 14:56                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 15:00                               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 15:08                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 15:10                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 15:22                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 19:30                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 20:58                           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 22:22                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-13  5:37                               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 10:38                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-13 18:42                                 ` High irq load (Re: [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt) Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 14:25                                   ` Peter Osterlund
2005-07-18  5:53                                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2005-07-12  0:38               ` [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt George Anzinger
2005-07-12 12:10                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-12 12:39                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-07-12 12:52                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-07-12 15:57                       ` George Anzinger
2005-07-12 16:27                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-13 16:26                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-13 16:46                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 17:24                             ` David Lang
2005-07-13 18:42                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-13 19:10                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-13 19:13                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 19:32                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-07-13 19:33                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-13 20:02                                         ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-07-13 20:17                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 20:24                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 20:48                                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-13 21:16                                           ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-13 21:24                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 21:35                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-13 21:37                                               ` Chris Friesen
2005-07-13 21:56                                               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-13 23:07                                               ` George Anzinger
2005-07-13 21:29                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-13 21:30                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 23:41                                             ` dean gaudet
2005-07-14  0:07                                               ` Petr Vandrovec
2005-07-14  9:24                                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-14 14:20                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14 18:05                                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-14 18:20                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14  0:51                                               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-14  1:13                                                 ` dean gaudet
2005-07-14  1:33                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14  1:54                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14  7:42                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-07-14 12:13                                                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-14 16:37                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 17:02                                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-07-14 17:21                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 19:09                                                                 ` Russell King
2005-07-14 20:06                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 20:30                                                                     ` Russell King
2005-07-15  8:15                                                                     ` Gerd Knorr
2005-07-14 20:38                                                                 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2005-07-14 17:42                                                               ` Al Boldi
2005-07-14 19:42                                                               ` john stultz
2005-07-14 20:13                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 20:41                                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-07-14 23:03                                                                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-14 21:54                                                                   ` john stultz
2005-07-14 22:43                                                                   ` Alan Cox
2005-07-14 23:19                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15 12:33                                                                       ` Alan Cox
2005-07-14 17:10                                                             ` Chris Friesen
2005-07-14 17:24                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 19:18                                                             ` john stultz
2005-07-14 22:37                                                             ` Alan Cox
2005-07-14 23:13                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 23:32                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2005-07-15  1:17                                                               ` Eric St-Laurent
2005-07-14 23:17                                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14 23:25                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 23:41                                                                 ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14 23:49                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 23:53                                                                     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15 12:42                                                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-14 23:57                                                                     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15  2:30                                                                     ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-07-15 12:46                                                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-15 16:46                                                                         ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-07-30  5:49                                                                     ` [GIT PATCH] ACPI patches for 2.6.13 Len Brown
2005-07-30  9:58                                                                       ` [ACPI] " Pavel Machek
2005-08-03 23:16                                                                       ` [GIT PATCH] ACPI patches for 2.6.13-rc5 Len Brown
2005-08-04 17:11                                                                         ` [GIT PATCH] ACPI patches for 2.6.13-rc5+ Len Brown
2005-08-15 20:35                                                                           ` [GIT PATCH] ACPI patch for 2.6.13-rc6 Len Brown
2005-07-14 23:50                                                                 ` [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt Lee Revell
2005-07-15  4:08                                                                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-07-15  4:17                                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15  4:54                                                                     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-15 16:59                                                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15 14:51                                                                         ` kernel
2005-07-14 18:00                                                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-14  8:38                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-07-14 14:55                                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14 15:02                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-07-14 15:25                                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15 11:38                                                             ` [OT] high precision hardware (was Re: [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt) Paul Jakma
2005-07-15 15:57                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-07-15 16:13                                                                 ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14  2:08                                                   ` [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt Lee Revell
2005-07-14  9:56                                                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-15  0:04                                             ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-15  0:15                                               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15  0:17                                                 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-15  0:42                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15  8:41                                                     ` Russell King
2005-07-15  0:24                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15  1:40                                                   ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-15  2:00                                                   ` Eric St-Laurent
2005-07-15 19:58                                                     ` Stephen Pollei
2005-07-16  5:16                                                       ` Eric St-Laurent
2005-07-15  2:07                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-15  9:36                                                     ` Matthias Urlichs
2005-07-15  3:46                                                   ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-15  5:04                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15 13:12                                                       ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-17  2:13                                                         ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-17  2:35                                                           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-17  2:35                                                           ` Nish Aravamudan
2005-07-17  3:55                                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-23 23:40                                                               ` randy_dunlap
2005-07-25 13:26                                                                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-23 23:48                                                     ` randy_dunlap
2005-07-23 23:52                                                       ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-24 12:58                                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-15  8:44                                                   ` Russell King
2005-07-15 15:41                                           ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-13 20:02                                     ` Diego Calleja
2005-07-13 19:35                                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-07-13 19:41                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-13 19:53                                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-07-14 10:04                                         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-13 19:52                                   ` George Anzinger
2005-07-13 23:54                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-07-14  0:43                                     ` George Anzinger
2005-07-14 10:25                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-07-14 12:19                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-14 21:19                                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-07-15  1:19                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-12 13:30                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-12 14:05                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-12 16:07                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-12 15:26                       ` [PATCH] " Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 17:50                         ` john stultz
2005-07-12 22:30                           ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2005-07-12 17:56                 ` john stultz
2005-07-12  0:45               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-11 13:18     ` Alan Cox
     [not found] <F7DC2337C7631D4386A2DF6E8FB22B300410F46A@hdsmsx401.amr.corp.intel.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2005-07-15 17:02 ` Andi Kleen
2005-07-15 17:23   ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2005-07-15 17:54     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-15 17:58       ` Andi Kleen
2005-07-18 10:47         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-15 18:01       ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2005-07-18 11:17         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-15 17:57     ` Andi Kleen
2005-07-15 18:09       ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2005-07-15 16:33 Brown, Len
2005-07-15 16:54 ` Chris Wedgwood
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-07-14 21:35 Brown, Len
2005-07-15  9:37 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-05-16 19:45 christoph
2005-05-16 20:51 ` Lee Revell
2005-05-17  0:55   ` christoph
2005-05-17 23:25     ` Lee Revell
2005-05-17 23:48       ` Nish Aravamudan
2005-05-18  0:03       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-18  0:08         ` Lee Revell
2005-05-16 22:09 ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-17  2:38   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-17  2:46     ` randy_dunlap
2005-05-17  2:55       ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-17  3:01         ` randy_dunlap
2005-05-17  3:37         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-17  3:40           ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-17 10:51             ` Paulo Marques
2005-05-17 13:19               ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-17  5:31           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-17 13:44             ` Joe Korty
2005-05-17 13:58               ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-17 15:43               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-18 18:50           ` Pavel Machek
2005-05-18 19:03             ` Lee Revell
2005-05-18 20:41               ` Tony Lindgren
2005-05-18 19:25             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-18 20:46               ` Tony Lindgren
2005-05-17  3:01     ` Coywolf Qi Hunt

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