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From: George Anzinger <george@mvista.com>
To: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@mbligh.org>
Cc: Lee Revell <rlrevell@joe-job.com>,
	Diego Calleja <diegocg@gmail.com>,
	azarah@nosferatu.za.org, akpm@osdl.org, cw@f00f.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@osdl.org,
	christoph@lameter.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 17:38:05 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <42D310ED.2000407@mvista.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <176640000.1121107087@flay>

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Martin J. Bligh wrote:
>>>Lots of people have switched from 2.4 to 2.6 (100 Hz to 1000 Hz) with no impact in
>>>stability, AFAIK. (I only remember some weird warning about HZ with debian woody's
>>>ps).
>>>
>>
>>Yes, that's called "progress" so no one complained.  Going back is
>>called a "regression".  People don't like those as much.
> 
> 
> That's a very subjective viewpoint. Realize that this is a balancing
> act between latency and overhead ... and you're firmly only looking
> at one side of the argument, instead of taking a compromise in the
> middle ...
> 
> If I start arguing for 100HZ on the grounds that it's much more efficient,
> will that make 250/300 look much better to you? ;-)

I would like to interject an addition data point, and I will NOT be subjective. 
  The nature of the PIT is that it can _hit_ some frequencies better than 
others.  We have had complaints about repeating timers not keeping good time. 
These are not jitter issues, but drift issues.  The standard says we may not 
return early from a timer so any timer will either be on time or late.  The 
amount of lateness depends very much on the HZ value.  Here is what the values 
are for the standard CLOCK_TICK_RATE:

HZ  	TICK RATE	jiffie(ns)	second(ns)	 error (ppbillion)
  100	 1193180	10000000	1000000000	       0
  200	 1193180	 5000098	1000019600	   19600
  250	 1193180	 4000250	1000062500	   62500
  500	 1193180	 1999703	1001851203	 1851203
1000	 1193180	  999848	1000847848	  847848

The jiffie values here are exactly what the kernel uses and are based on the 
best one can do with the PIT hardware.

I am not suggesting any given default HZ, but rather an argumentation of the 
help text that goes with it.  For those who want timers to repeat at one second 
(or multiples there of) this is useful info.

For you enjoyment I have attached the program used to print this.  It allows you 
to try additional values...


-- 
George Anzinger   george@mvista.com
HRT (High-res-timers):  http://sourceforge.net/projects/high-res-timers/

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#define NSEC_PER_SEC  1000000000
//#define CLOCK_TICK_RATE /*100000000 */ 1193180
#define LATCH(CLOCK_TICK_RATE,HZ)  ((CLOCK_TICK_RATE + HZ/2) / HZ)
#define SH_DIV(NOM,DEN,LSH) (	((NOM / DEN) << LSH)			\
			     + (((NOM % DEN) << LSH) + DEN / 2) / DEN)
#define ACTHZ (SH_DIV (CLOCK_TICK_RATE, LATCH(CLOCK_TICK_RATE,HZ), 8))
#define TICK_NSEC (SH_DIV (1000000UL * 1000, ACTHZ, 8))


struct {
	int hz;
	int clocktickrate;
} vals[] = {{100, 1193180}, {200, 1193180}, {250, 1193180}, {500, 1193180}, {1000, 1193180},{0,0}};

void do_it(int hz,int tickrate)
{
	int HZ = hz;
	int CLOCK_TICK_RATE = tickrate;
	int tick_nsec = TICK_NSEC;
	int ticks_per_sec = NSEC_PER_SEC/tick_nsec;
	int sec_size = ticks_per_sec * tick_nsec;
	int one_sec_p;
	int err;

	if (sec_size < NSEC_PER_SEC)
		sec_size += tick_nsec;
	one_sec_p = sec_size;
	err = one_sec_p - NSEC_PER_SEC;
	printf( "%4d\t%8d\t%8d\t%10d\t%8d\n",hz, tickrate, tick_nsec, 
		one_sec_p, err);
}
	
void bail(void)
{
	printf("run as: as [hz [clock_tick_rate]]\n");
	exit(1);
}

main(int argc, char** argv)
{
	int i = 0;
	int phz = 0;
	int pcr = vals[0].clocktickrate;

	if (argc > 1) { 
		phz = atoi(argv[1]);
		if (!phz)
			bail();
	}
	if (argc > 2) {
		pcr = atoi(argv[2]);
		if (!pcr)
			bail();
	}

	printf("HZ  \tTICK RATE\tjiffie(ns)\tsecond(ns)\t error (ppbillion)\n");
	while(vals[i].hz) {
		do_it(vals[i].hz, vals[i].clocktickrate);
		i++;
	}
	if (phz)
		do_it(phz, pcr);
}

  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-07-12  0:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 238+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <200506231828.j5NISlCe020350@hera.kernel.org>
2005-07-08 21:49 ` [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-08 21:59   ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-08 22:05     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-08 22:08     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-10 10:45       ` Denis Vlasenko
2005-07-08 22:22     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-08 22:33       ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-08 22:59     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-08 23:03       ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-08 23:14         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-08 23:29           ` David S. Miller
2005-07-08 23:40             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 17:08     ` Martin Schlemmer
2005-07-09 18:16       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 18:31         ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-07-09 18:33           ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-09 18:36           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 19:12             ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-09 19:16               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 20:30                 ` randy_dunlap
2005-07-09 21:25                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 23:30                     ` Randy Dunlap
2005-07-11 18:35                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-11 13:23                 ` Alan Cox
2005-07-11 14:05                   ` Theodore Ts'o
2005-07-11 14:08                     ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-07-11 15:18                       ` Alan Cox
2005-07-12  2:13                       ` Eric St-Laurent
2005-07-11 16:02                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-15 12:17                       ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-13 15:59                     ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-13 16:47                       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-10  0:44           ` pmarques
2005-07-09 18:39         ` Diego Calleja
2005-07-09 18:41           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 18:49             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-09 18:50               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-11 18:38             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-11 20:25               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-11 20:39                 ` Chris Friesen
2005-07-12  0:30                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12  4:07                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12  4:13                       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12  4:30                         ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 14:21                           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 14:24                           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 14:56                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 15:00                               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 15:08                                 ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 15:10                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 15:22                                     ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 19:30                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 20:58                           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-12 22:22                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-13  5:37                               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 10:38                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-13 18:42                                 ` High irq load (Re: [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt) Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 14:25                                   ` Peter Osterlund
2005-07-18  5:53                                     ` Herbert Poetzl
2005-07-12  0:38               ` George Anzinger [this message]
2005-07-12 12:10                 ` [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-12 12:39                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-07-12 12:52                     ` Con Kolivas
2005-07-12 15:57                       ` George Anzinger
2005-07-12 16:27                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-13 16:26                           ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-13 16:46                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 17:24                             ` David Lang
2005-07-13 18:42                               ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-13 19:10                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-13 19:13                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 19:32                                     ` Dmitry Torokhov
2005-07-13 19:33                                       ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-13 20:02                                         ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-07-13 20:17                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 20:24                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 20:48                                         ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-13 21:16                                           ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-13 21:24                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 21:35                                               ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-13 21:37                                               ` Chris Friesen
2005-07-13 21:56                                               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-13 23:07                                               ` George Anzinger
2005-07-13 21:29                                             ` Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-13 21:30                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-13 23:41                                             ` dean gaudet
2005-07-14  0:07                                               ` Petr Vandrovec
2005-07-14  9:24                                                 ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-14 14:20                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14 18:05                                                     ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-14 18:20                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14  0:51                                               ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-14  1:13                                                 ` dean gaudet
2005-07-14  1:33                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14  1:54                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14  7:42                                                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-07-14 12:13                                                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-14 16:37                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 17:02                                                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2005-07-14 17:21                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 19:09                                                                 ` Russell King
2005-07-14 20:06                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 20:30                                                                     ` Russell King
2005-07-15  8:15                                                                     ` Gerd Knorr
2005-07-14 20:38                                                                 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2005-07-14 17:42                                                               ` Al Boldi
2005-07-14 19:42                                                               ` john stultz
2005-07-14 20:13                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 20:41                                                                   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-07-14 23:03                                                                     ` Chris Wedgwood
2005-07-14 21:54                                                                   ` john stultz
2005-07-14 22:43                                                                   ` Alan Cox
2005-07-14 23:19                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15 12:33                                                                       ` Alan Cox
2005-07-14 17:10                                                             ` Chris Friesen
2005-07-14 17:24                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 19:18                                                             ` john stultz
2005-07-14 22:37                                                             ` Alan Cox
2005-07-14 23:13                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 23:32                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15  1:17                                                               ` Eric St-Laurent
2005-07-14 23:17                                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14 23:25                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 23:41                                                                 ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14 23:49                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-14 23:53                                                                     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15 12:42                                                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-14 23:57                                                                     ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15  2:30                                                                     ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-07-15 12:46                                                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-15 16:46                                                                         ` Fernando Lopez-Lezcano
2005-07-30  5:49                                                                     ` [GIT PATCH] ACPI patches for 2.6.13 Len Brown
2005-07-30  9:58                                                                       ` [ACPI] " Pavel Machek
2005-08-03 23:16                                                                       ` [GIT PATCH] ACPI patches for 2.6.13-rc5 Len Brown
2005-08-04 17:11                                                                         ` [GIT PATCH] ACPI patches for 2.6.13-rc5+ Len Brown
2005-08-15 20:35                                                                           ` [GIT PATCH] ACPI patch for 2.6.13-rc6 Len Brown
2005-07-14 23:50                                                                 ` [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt Lee Revell
2005-07-15  4:08                                                                 ` Con Kolivas
2005-07-15  4:17                                                                   ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15  4:54                                                                     ` Zwane Mwaikambo
2005-07-15 16:59                                                                       ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15 14:51                                                                         ` kernel
2005-07-14 18:00                                                           ` Andrew Morton
2005-07-14  8:38                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-07-14 14:55                                                         ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14 15:02                                                           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-07-14 15:25                                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15 11:38                                                             ` [OT] high precision hardware (was Re: [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt) Paul Jakma
2005-07-15 15:57                                                               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-07-15 16:13                                                                 ` Lee Revell
2005-07-14  2:08                                                   ` [PATCH] i386: Selectable Frequency of the Timer Interrupt Lee Revell
2005-07-14  9:56                                                     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-15  0:04                                             ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-15  0:15                                               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-15  0:17                                                 ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-15  0:42                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15  8:41                                                     ` Russell King
2005-07-15  0:24                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15  1:40                                                   ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-15  2:00                                                   ` Eric St-Laurent
2005-07-15 19:58                                                     ` Stephen Pollei
2005-07-16  5:16                                                       ` Eric St-Laurent
2005-07-15  2:07                                                   ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-15  9:36                                                     ` Matthias Urlichs
2005-07-15  3:46                                                   ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-15  5:04                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2005-07-15 13:12                                                       ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-17  2:13                                                         ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-17  2:35                                                           ` Lee Revell
2005-07-17  2:35                                                           ` Nish Aravamudan
2005-07-17  3:55                                                             ` Lee Revell
2005-07-23 23:40                                                               ` randy_dunlap
2005-07-25 13:26                                                                 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-23 23:48                                                     ` randy_dunlap
2005-07-23 23:52                                                       ` Jesper Juhl
2005-07-24 12:58                                                         ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-15  8:44                                                   ` Russell King
2005-07-15 15:41                                           ` Pavel Machek
2005-07-13 20:02                                     ` Diego Calleja
2005-07-13 19:35                                   ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-07-13 19:41                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-13 19:53                                       ` Benjamin LaHaise
2005-07-14 10:04                                         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-13 19:52                                   ` George Anzinger
2005-07-13 23:54                                   ` Con Kolivas
2005-07-14  0:43                                     ` George Anzinger
2005-07-14 10:25                                   ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-07-14 12:19                                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-14 21:19                                       ` Krzysztof Halasa
2005-07-15  1:19                               ` Bill Davidsen
2005-07-12 13:30                     ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-12 14:05                       ` Jan Engelhardt
2005-07-12 16:07                         ` Vojtech Pavlik
2005-07-12 15:26                       ` [PATCH] " Martin J. Bligh
2005-07-12 17:50                         ` john stultz
2005-07-12 22:30                           ` Nishanth Aravamudan
2005-07-12 17:56                 ` john stultz
2005-07-12  0:45               ` Lee Revell
2005-07-11 13:18     ` Alan Cox
     [not found] <F7DC2337C7631D4386A2DF6E8FB22B300410F46A@hdsmsx401.amr.corp.intel.com.suse.lists.linux.kernel>
2005-07-15 17:02 ` Andi Kleen
2005-07-15 17:23   ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2005-07-15 17:54     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-15 17:58       ` Andi Kleen
2005-07-18 10:47         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-15 18:01       ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2005-07-18 11:17         ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-07-15 17:57     ` Andi Kleen
2005-07-15 18:09       ` Venkatesh Pallipadi
2005-07-15 16:33 Brown, Len
2005-07-15 16:54 ` Chris Wedgwood
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-07-14 21:35 Brown, Len
2005-07-15  9:37 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2005-05-16 19:45 christoph
2005-05-16 20:51 ` Lee Revell
2005-05-17  0:55   ` christoph
2005-05-17 23:25     ` Lee Revell
2005-05-17 23:48       ` Nish Aravamudan
2005-05-18  0:03       ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2005-05-18  0:08         ` Lee Revell
2005-05-16 22:09 ` Andrew Morton
2005-05-17  2:38   ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-17  2:46     ` randy_dunlap
2005-05-17  2:55       ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-17  3:01         ` randy_dunlap
2005-05-17  3:37         ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-17  3:40           ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-17 10:51             ` Paulo Marques
2005-05-17 13:19               ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-17  5:31           ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-17 13:44             ` Joe Korty
2005-05-17 13:58               ` Andi Kleen
2005-05-17 15:43               ` Christoph Lameter
2005-05-18 18:50           ` Pavel Machek
2005-05-18 19:03             ` Lee Revell
2005-05-18 20:41               ` Tony Lindgren
2005-05-18 19:25             ` Linus Torvalds
2005-05-18 20:46               ` Tony Lindgren
2005-05-17  3:01     ` Coywolf Qi Hunt

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