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From: David Chinner <dgc@sgi.com>
To: Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	miklos@szeredi.hu, neilb@suse.de, dgc@sgi.com,
	tomoki.sekiyama.qu@hitachi.com, nikita@clusterfs.com,
	trond.myklebust@fys.uio.no, yingchao.zhou@gmail.com,
	richard@rsk.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2007 10:24:13 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20070806002413.GJ31489@sgi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wswbjejw.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de>

On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 09:16:35PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Andrew Morton:
> 
> > The easy preventive is to mount with data=writeback.  Maybe that should
> > have been the default.
> 
> The documentation I could find suggests that this may lead to a
> security weakness (old data in blocks of a file that was grown just
> before the crash leaks to a different user).  XFS overwrites that data
> with zeros upon reboot, which tends to irritate users when it happens.

XFS has never overwritten data on reboot. It leaves holes when the kernel has
failed to write out data. A hole == zeros so XFS does not expose stale data in
this situation. As it is, the underlying XFS problem (lack of synchronisation
between inode size update and data writes has been mostly fixed in 2.6.22 by
only updating the file size to be written to disk on data I/O completion.

FWIW, fsync() would prevent this from happening, but many application writers
seem strangely reluctant to put fsync() calls into code to ensure the data
they write is safely on disk.....

Cheers,

Dave.
-- 
Dave Chinner
Principal Engineer
SGI Australian Software Group

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-08-06  0:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 189+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-03 12:37 [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8 Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 01/23] nfs: remove congestion_end() Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 02/23] lib: percpu_counter_add Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 03/23] lib: percpu_counter variable batch Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 04/23] lib: make percpu_counter_add take s64 Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 05/23] lib: percpu_counter_set Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 06/23] lib: percpu_counter_sum_positive Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 07/23] lib: percpu_count_sum() Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 08/23] lib: percpu_counter_init error handling Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 09/23] lib: percpu_counter_init_irq Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 10/23] mm: bdi init hooks Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 11/23] containers: " Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 12/23] mtd: " Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 13/23] mtd: clean up the backing_dev_info usage Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 14/23] mtd: give mtdconcat devices their own backing_dev_info Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 15/23] mm: scalable bdi statistics counters Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 16/23] mm: count reclaimable pages per BDI Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 17/23] mm: count writeback " Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-09 19:15   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-09 19:23     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-09 19:27       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-08-13  8:36         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 18/23] mm: expose BDI statistics in sysfs Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 19/23] lib: floating proportions Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 20/23] lib: floating proportions _single Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 21/23] mm: per device dirty threshold Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 22/23] mm: dirty balancing for tasks Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 12:37 ` [PATCH 23/23] debug: sysfs files for the current ratio/size/total Peter Zijlstra
2007-08-03 22:21 ` [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8 Linus Torvalds
2007-08-04  6:32   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04  7:07     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04  7:44       ` david
2007-08-04 16:01         ` Ray Lee
2007-08-04 17:15           ` david
2007-08-09  5:11           ` david
2007-08-04 10:33       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 16:17         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-04 16:37           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 16:51             ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-04 16:56               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 20:23                 ` Alan Cox
2007-08-04 17:02             ` Diego Calleja
2007-08-04 17:17               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 17:38                 ` Diego Calleja
2007-08-04 17:51                   ` Diego Calleja
2007-08-08 10:43                 ` Karel Zak
2007-08-04 17:39             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-04 18:08               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-04 19:12                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-08-04 19:21                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 19:26                     ` Jörn Engel
2007-08-04 19:42                       ` Jörn Engel
2007-08-05 20:36                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-08-06 18:03                           ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-08-06 18:53                             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-06 19:37                             ` Alan Cox
2007-08-06 19:46                               ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-08-07  7:05                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-08 21:10                           ` Martin J. Bligh
2007-08-08 21:21                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-09  0:54                               ` Martin Bligh
2007-08-11 23:14                                 ` Valerie Henson
2007-08-10  0:21                               ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-14  9:57                           ` Helge Hafting
2007-08-04 19:47                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-04 19:49                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-04 20:00                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 20:11                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 20:13                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-05  8:18                           ` [patch] add noatime/atime boot options, CONFIG_DEFAULT_NOATIME Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 20:13                         ` [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8 Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-04 21:48                           ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-05 18:01                             ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-05 20:34                               ` Christoph Hellwig
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2007-08-15 18:16                                     ` david.balazic
2007-08-04 20:11                     ` [PATCH 00/23] " Alan Cox
2007-08-04 20:28                       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-04 21:47                         ` Alan Cox
2007-08-04 23:51                           ` Claudio Martins
2007-08-05  0:49                             ` Alan Cox
2007-08-05  7:28                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 10:29                                 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2007-08-05 12:46                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-08-05 12:58                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 13:29                                     ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-06  6:57                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-06 13:12                                         ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-05 14:46                               ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-05 17:55                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 17:59                                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-05 18:09                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 18:08                                 ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-07 21:20                             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-05  7:18                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-07 18:55                         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-07 19:35                           ` Alan Cox
2007-08-08 17:44                             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-04 20:28                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 20:34                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-04 21:03                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-04 21:51                           ` Alan Cox
2007-08-05  7:21                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05  7:29                               ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-05  7:39                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05  8:53                               ` Willy Tarreau
2007-08-05 14:17                                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-08-05 18:02                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-05 18:37                                     ` Jörn Engel
2007-08-05 20:21                                       ` Jörn Engel
2007-08-05 20:33                                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-05 12:47                               ` Alan Cox
2007-08-05 12:56                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 18:44                               ` Dave Jones
2007-08-05 18:58                                 ` adi
2007-08-06  6:39                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-06 15:59                                   ` Dave Jones
2007-08-06 16:16                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05  7:37                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05  9:04                               ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-05 12:43                               ` Alan Cox
2007-08-05 12:54                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 13:37                                   ` Alan Cox
2007-08-05 18:08                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 19:11                                       ` Alan Cox
2007-08-08 18:22                                       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-08 19:39                                         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-08 20:31                                           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-08 23:18                                           ` Alan Cox
2007-08-07 19:09                             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-04 21:48                         ` Alan Cox
2007-08-05  7:13                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 13:22                             ` Diego Calleja
2007-08-05 19:03                               ` david
2007-08-06  6:52                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-10  4:04                                 ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-11  5:19                                   ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2007-08-06  6:58                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-09  0:57                             ` Greg Trounson
2007-08-09  1:26                               ` david
2007-08-09  2:33                               ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-04 22:39                         ` Ilpo Järvinen
2007-08-05 10:20                 ` Jakob Oestergaard
2007-08-05 10:42                   ` Jeff Garzik
2007-08-05 10:58                     ` Jakob Oestergaard
2007-08-05 12:46                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 13:46                         ` Jakob Oestergaard
2007-08-05 16:45                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-05 19:09                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 19:22                             ` [patch] implement smarter atime updates support Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 19:28                               ` [patch] implement smarter atime updates support, v2 Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 20:42                                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-06  5:36                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 19:53                               ` [patch] implement smarter atime updates support Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-05 20:04                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-08-05 20:22                                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-08-05 19:29                             ` [PATCH 00/23] per device dirty throttling -v8 Alan Cox
2007-08-05 19:32                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-08-05 23:43                     ` David Chinner
2007-08-05  0:26             ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-05 15:00               ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-06 13:47                 ` Chris Mason
2007-08-17  0:45                 ` Dave Jones
2007-08-05 20:41               ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-08-06 10:42                 ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-16 10:18               ` Helge Hafting
2007-08-09  6:25             ` Lionel Elie Mamane
2007-08-09 15:02               ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-08-09 16:22                 ` Diego Calleja
2007-08-04 16:41           ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-04 17:26             ` Nikita Danilov
2007-08-04 19:16             ` Florian Weimer
2007-08-05  6:00               ` Andrew Morton
2007-08-05  7:57                 ` Florian Weimer
2007-08-05 20:43                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-08-05 22:46               ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-06  0:24               ` David Chinner [this message]
2007-08-05  0:28         ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-04 16:15       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-08-05 17:22     ` Brice Figureau
2007-08-05 22:17       ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-06  8:40         ` Brice Figureau
2007-08-14  1:44           ` Stewart Smith
2007-08-14  2:25             ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-14  7:59               ` Brice Figureau
2007-08-06 20:26 ` Miklos Szeredi
2007-08-08 12:25 ` richard kennedy
2007-08-08 13:54   ` Andi Kleen
2007-08-10  4:17     ` Bill Davidsen
2007-08-10 16:00 pointman

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