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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/36] AArch64 Linux kernel port
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 00:14:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120707231456.GA21201@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120706235804.1bd26a1a@pyramind.ukuu.org.uk>

On Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 11:58:04PM +0100, Alan Cox wrote:
> >  arch/x86/include/asm/atomic64_32.h              |    1 +
> >  arch/x86/include/asm/atomic64_64.h              |    1 +
> >  arch/xtensa/kernel/syscall.c                    |    2 +-
> 
> This looks odd to say the least ?

There are a few preparatory patches at the beginning of this series that
will be merged separately but I wanted to give the full context of why
they are needed, hence posting them together with the AArch64 code.

> The only other question I'd ask is given that ppc and x86 have both done
> 32/64bit separate architectures and then gone the other way is that
> something ARM 64bit needs to think about ?

This has been debated and there are strong reasons to keep it separate:

1. The AArch64 architecture is significantly different from AArch32 (the
official name of the 32-bit ARM architecture), it is not an extension.
It has a new exception model, new instruction set (even the register
names are different), new C ABI, PCS. It has a hardware compat mode but
that's about it, there is no interworking between the two (not allowed
by hardware, nor that the ABIs would make this possible). 

2. Easier code maintenance. While I started the kernel port from the
arch/arm/ code base (it was at a time when Linux didn't even have
generic unistd.h and the AArch64 specs kept changing) the code diverged
significantly both because of architecture differences and software
requirements like new ABI, generic headers (unistd.h, stat.h etc). The
port undergone significant rewrite following the rules for new
architecture ports and some of the few similarities will be moved to a
more generic place (like the mmu_gather patches from peterz). AArch64
SoCs are going into a more standardised direction and the SoC code will
be kept to a minimum and moved under drivers/. So merging AArch32 and
AArch64 together would be rather detrimental to code maintenance for
both architectures (#ifdef's or duplicate 32/64 files).

3. Flexibility. It's early days for AArch64, we don't have a hardware
platform supported yet and there are ongoing debates around ACPI,
firmware standardisation for CPU booting, hotplug, power management. We
need the flexibility to improve the code base without worrying about
backwards compatibility (apart from the compat layer which isn't at all
affected by the hardware developments).

-- 
Catalin

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-07-07 23:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 182+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-06 21:05 [PATCH 00/36] AArch64 Linux kernel port Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 01/36] atomic64_test: Simplify the #ifdef for atomic64_dec_if_positive() test Catalin Marinas
2012-07-18  4:33   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-07-18  9:06     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 02/36] ipc: Add COMPAT_SHMLBA support Catalin Marinas
2012-07-18  5:53   ` Jon Masters
2012-07-18  9:03     ` Will Deacon
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 03/36] ipc: allow compat IPC version field parsing if !ARCH_WANT_OLD_COMPAT_IPC Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 04/36] ipc: compat: use signed size_t types for msgsnd and msgrcv Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 05/36] fs: Build sys_stat64() and friends if __ARCH_WANT_COMPAT_STAT64 Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 06/36] fdt: Add generic dt_memblock_reserve() function Catalin Marinas
2012-07-07 21:18   ` Rob Herring
2012-07-08  9:43     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 07/36] AArch64: Assembly macros and definitions Catalin Marinas
2012-07-07  5:57   ` Greg KH
2012-07-08  9:23     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-20 14:22   ` [07/36] " Christopher Covington
2012-07-24 16:40     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 08/36] AArch64: Kernel booting and initialisation Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:32   ` Stephen Warren
2012-07-08  9:18     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-23 17:48       ` Stephen Warren
2012-07-23 17:58         ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-18  6:57   ` Jon Masters
2012-07-18  9:07     ` Will Deacon
2012-07-20  7:11       ` Jon Masters
2012-07-19 17:31     ` Christopher Covington
2012-07-20  7:10       ` Jon Masters
2012-07-20  8:28         ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-20 10:52           ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-20 12:32             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2012-07-20 13:16               ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-20 13:47         ` Christopher Covington
2012-07-20 13:52           ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-20 13:48       ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-20 14:53         ` Christopher Covington
2012-07-23 20:52   ` [08/36] " Christopher Covington
2012-07-24 16:24     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-24 18:53       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-24 23:20         ` Frank Rowand
2012-07-25  8:34         ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-24 19:42   ` Christopher Covington
2012-07-25  8:47     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-25 13:39       ` Christopher Covington
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 09/36] AArch64: Exception handling Catalin Marinas
2012-08-09 17:05   ` [09/36] " Christopher Covington
2012-08-09 17:23     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-08-09 19:19       ` Christopher Covington
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 10/36] AArch64: MMU definitions Catalin Marinas
2012-10-02  0:43   ` Jon Masters
2012-10-02 15:39     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 11/36] AArch64: MMU initialisation Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 12/36] AArch64: MMU fault handling and page table management Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 13/36] AArch64: Process management Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 14/36] AArch64: CPU support Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 15/36] AArch64: Cache maintenance routines Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 16/36] AArch64: TLB maintenance functionality Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 17/36] AArch64: IRQ handling Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 18/36] AArch64: Atomic operations Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 19/36] AArch64: Device specific operations Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 20/36] AArch64: DMA mapping API Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 21/36] AArch64: SMP support Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 22/36] AArch64: ELF definitions Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 23/36] AArch64: System calls handling Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 24/36] AArch64: VDSO support Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 25/36] AArch64: Signal handling support Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 26/36] AArch64: User access library functions Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 27/36] AArch64: 32-bit (compat) applications support Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 28/36] AArch64: Floating point and SIMD Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 29/36] AArch64: Debugging support Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 30/36] AArch64: Performance counters support Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 31/36] AArch64: Miscellaneous library functions Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 32/36] AArch64: Loadable modules Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 33/36] AArch64: Generic timers support Catalin Marinas
2012-07-12  0:18   ` Linus Walleij
2012-07-12 10:09     ` Marc Zyngier
2012-07-12 10:56       ` Linus Walleij
2012-07-12 16:57         ` John Stultz
2012-07-12 17:31           ` Marc Zyngier
2012-07-12 17:39             ` John Stultz
2012-07-13 12:40               ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-13 16:02                 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-13 16:32                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-13 18:30                   ` John Stultz
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 34/36] AArch64: Miscellaneous header files Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 35/36] AArch64: Build infrastructure Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 36/36] AArch64: MAINTAINERS update Catalin Marinas
2012-08-10 16:24   ` [36/36] " Christopher Covington
2012-07-06 22:58 ` [PATCH 00/36] AArch64 Linux kernel port Alan Cox
2012-07-07 21:30   ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-07 23:14   ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2012-07-07 23:29     ` Alan Cox
2012-07-09 11:35       ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-09 13:51         ` Alan Cox
2012-07-09 15:32           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-09 15:49             ` Alan Cox
2012-07-09 16:02             ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-09 16:33               ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-07  3:29 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-07-09 12:32   ` Mark Brown
2012-07-09 13:06     ` Matthew Garrett
2012-07-09 13:56       ` Mark Brown
2012-07-09 14:02         ` Matthew Garrett
2012-07-09 15:46           ` Mark Brown
2012-07-07  3:53 ` Olof Johansson
2012-07-07 19:27   ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-07 23:45     ` Jan Engelhardt
2012-07-08  5:05       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-07-08 20:28         ` Jan Engelhardt
2012-07-08  7:54     ` Jon Masters
2012-07-08 11:17       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2012-07-08 18:13         ` Jon Masters
2012-07-08 18:31       ` Jon Masters
2012-07-08 22:24         ` Dennis Gilmore
2012-07-09  2:01           ` Jon Masters
2012-07-09  8:57             ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-09 13:33             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2012-07-08 20:31       ` Jan Engelhardt
2012-07-08 23:32         ` Jon Masters
2012-07-10  7:10     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-07-10 10:10       ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-10 15:33         ` Alan Cox
2012-07-10 16:52           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-10 20:35             ` Ingo Molnar
2012-07-10 21:19               ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-10 21:48                 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-11  8:20                 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-07-11 11:30                 ` Alan Cox
2012-07-10 21:44               ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-11  8:55                 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-11  5:26             ` Rusty Russell
2012-07-11 10:53               ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-12  2:08                 ` Rusty Russell
2012-07-10 16:57           ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-10 16:52         ` Dennis Gilmore
2012-07-10 17:14         ` Joe Perches
2012-07-10 18:01           ` Jan Ceuleers
2012-07-10 18:05             ` richard -rw- weinberger
2012-07-10 20:16           ` Alexander Holler
2012-07-14 22:16             ` Jon Masters
2012-07-10 22:08         ` Chris Adams
2012-07-14  9:30         ` Pavel Machek
2012-07-15 12:16           ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-15 19:43             ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-15 21:33               ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-16 12:16                 ` Pavel Machek
2012-07-17  7:05                   ` Jon Masters
2012-07-17  8:02                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-17  9:50                       ` Alan Cox
2012-07-18  2:36                         ` Jon Masters
2012-07-17 10:45                   ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-16  9:26               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2012-07-17  6:53               ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-07-17  8:07                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-16  8:24             ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-17  7:09               ` Jon Masters
2012-07-17  8:37               ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-15 23:21         ` Måns Rullgård
2012-07-15 23:53           ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-17 22:18             ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-17 22:35               ` Joe Perches
2012-07-18  2:33                 ` Jon Masters
2012-07-18 15:27                   ` Dennis Gilmore
2012-07-18 17:14                     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-18 17:25                       ` Måns Rullgård
2012-07-18 19:35                       ` Jon Masters
2012-07-18 19:55                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-19 14:16     ` Guillem Jover
2012-07-07 23:42   ` Jan Engelhardt
2012-07-08 10:18   ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-09 12:31     ` Jan Engelhardt
2012-07-07  9:30 ` Mikael Pettersson
2012-07-07 19:21   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-07-10 10:12   ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-14  9:35     ` Pavel Machek
2012-07-15 11:36       ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-16 16:19         ` Pavel Machek
2012-07-16 19:45           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-16 19:47           ` Måns Rullgård
2012-07-18  5:35 ` Jon Masters
2012-07-18  9:13   ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-26 11:59 ` Catalin Marinas
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