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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: "Måns Rullgård" <mans@mansr.com>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/36] AArch64 Linux kernel port
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 16:53:21 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFxL6uEre-c=JrhPfts=7BGmhb2Js1c2ZGkTH8F=+rEWDg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <yw1x8vekd309.fsf@unicorn.mansr.com>

On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 4:21 PM, Måns Rullgård <mans@mansr.com> wrote:
>
> FWIW, I'd prefer naming the directory either arm64 or armv8 for a few
> reasons:
>
> - Those are the names people actually use to refer to the architecture
> - They are more descriptive.
> - I think the official name is rather silly.

Agreed on those three for arm64.

However, please don't use the *INSANE* ARM "v8" naming. There must be
something in the water in Cambridge, but the ARM "version" naming is
just totally broken. They have separate versions for their
"architecture" (ex: arm v8) and for their "implementation" (ex:
ARM11), and maybe it all makes sense if you have drunk the ARM
cool-aid and have joined the ARM cult, but to sane people and
outsiders, it is just a f*cking mess.

So

 - aarch64 is just another druggie name that the ARM people came up
with after drinking too much of the spiked water in cambridge.

   It is apparently ARM deciding to emulate every single bad idea that
Intel ever cam up with, and is the ARM version of the "ia64" name
(which is Intel's equally confusing name for "Intel architecture 64",
which a few years ago meant Itanium, but now in more modern times when
Intel tries to forget Itanium ever existed it means x86-64).

   "ia64" was a horrible name, aarch64 is the exact same mistake. It sucks.

 - armv8 is totally idiotic and incomprehensible to anybody else,
since quite frankly, the difference between "ARMv8" (the architecture
spec) and "ARM7" (the processor family) is complete and utter
nonsense. It's only confusing.

Christ. Seriously. The insanity is so strong in the ARM version names
that it burns. If it really makes sense to anybody that "ARM A9"
(technically "Cortex-A9", but nobody seems to use the "Cortex" part at
least in cellphones) is an "ARM-v7" architecture microprocessor which
is *completely* different from the ARM9 family, which in turn is
different from ARMv9 that hasn't happened yet, you need to have your
head examined.

So please don't use "aarch64", because it's just f*cking crazy. And
please don't use "armv8", because it's just completely retarded and
confused.

I don't think *anybody* would be confused by "arm-64" (or "arm64").

Of course, some day ARM Ltd will (unless they install new water
filtration plants) have "v64" of their architecture spec or introduce
the "ARM64 processor family". But that day is a long time from now,
and hopefully we could head that off at the pass by just calling the
64-bit arm "arm64" and some sane people inside ARM.

          Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2012-07-15 23:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 182+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-07-06 21:05 [PATCH 00/36] AArch64 Linux kernel port Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 01/36] atomic64_test: Simplify the #ifdef for atomic64_dec_if_positive() test Catalin Marinas
2012-07-18  4:33   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2012-07-18  9:06     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 02/36] ipc: Add COMPAT_SHMLBA support Catalin Marinas
2012-07-18  5:53   ` Jon Masters
2012-07-18  9:03     ` Will Deacon
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 03/36] ipc: allow compat IPC version field parsing if !ARCH_WANT_OLD_COMPAT_IPC Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 04/36] ipc: compat: use signed size_t types for msgsnd and msgrcv Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 05/36] fs: Build sys_stat64() and friends if __ARCH_WANT_COMPAT_STAT64 Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 06/36] fdt: Add generic dt_memblock_reserve() function Catalin Marinas
2012-07-07 21:18   ` Rob Herring
2012-07-08  9:43     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 07/36] AArch64: Assembly macros and definitions Catalin Marinas
2012-07-07  5:57   ` Greg KH
2012-07-08  9:23     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-20 14:22   ` [07/36] " Christopher Covington
2012-07-24 16:40     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 08/36] AArch64: Kernel booting and initialisation Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:32   ` Stephen Warren
2012-07-08  9:18     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-23 17:48       ` Stephen Warren
2012-07-23 17:58         ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-18  6:57   ` Jon Masters
2012-07-18  9:07     ` Will Deacon
2012-07-20  7:11       ` Jon Masters
2012-07-19 17:31     ` Christopher Covington
2012-07-20  7:10       ` Jon Masters
2012-07-20  8:28         ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-20 10:52           ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-20 12:32             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2012-07-20 13:16               ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-20 13:47         ` Christopher Covington
2012-07-20 13:52           ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-20 13:48       ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-20 14:53         ` Christopher Covington
2012-07-23 20:52   ` [08/36] " Christopher Covington
2012-07-24 16:24     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-24 18:53       ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-24 23:20         ` Frank Rowand
2012-07-25  8:34         ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-24 19:42   ` Christopher Covington
2012-07-25  8:47     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-25 13:39       ` Christopher Covington
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 09/36] AArch64: Exception handling Catalin Marinas
2012-08-09 17:05   ` [09/36] " Christopher Covington
2012-08-09 17:23     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-08-09 19:19       ` Christopher Covington
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 10/36] AArch64: MMU definitions Catalin Marinas
2012-10-02  0:43   ` Jon Masters
2012-10-02 15:39     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 11/36] AArch64: MMU initialisation Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 12/36] AArch64: MMU fault handling and page table management Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 13/36] AArch64: Process management Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 14/36] AArch64: CPU support Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 15/36] AArch64: Cache maintenance routines Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 16/36] AArch64: TLB maintenance functionality Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 17/36] AArch64: IRQ handling Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:05 ` [PATCH 18/36] AArch64: Atomic operations Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 19/36] AArch64: Device specific operations Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 20/36] AArch64: DMA mapping API Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 21/36] AArch64: SMP support Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 22/36] AArch64: ELF definitions Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 23/36] AArch64: System calls handling Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 24/36] AArch64: VDSO support Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 25/36] AArch64: Signal handling support Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 26/36] AArch64: User access library functions Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 27/36] AArch64: 32-bit (compat) applications support Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 28/36] AArch64: Floating point and SIMD Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 29/36] AArch64: Debugging support Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 30/36] AArch64: Performance counters support Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 31/36] AArch64: Miscellaneous library functions Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 32/36] AArch64: Loadable modules Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 33/36] AArch64: Generic timers support Catalin Marinas
2012-07-12  0:18   ` Linus Walleij
2012-07-12 10:09     ` Marc Zyngier
2012-07-12 10:56       ` Linus Walleij
2012-07-12 16:57         ` John Stultz
2012-07-12 17:31           ` Marc Zyngier
2012-07-12 17:39             ` John Stultz
2012-07-13 12:40               ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-13 16:02                 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-13 16:32                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-13 18:30                   ` John Stultz
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 34/36] AArch64: Miscellaneous header files Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 35/36] AArch64: Build infrastructure Catalin Marinas
2012-07-06 21:06 ` [PATCH 36/36] AArch64: MAINTAINERS update Catalin Marinas
2012-08-10 16:24   ` [36/36] " Christopher Covington
2012-07-06 22:58 ` [PATCH 00/36] AArch64 Linux kernel port Alan Cox
2012-07-07 21:30   ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-07 23:14   ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-07 23:29     ` Alan Cox
2012-07-09 11:35       ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-09 13:51         ` Alan Cox
2012-07-09 15:32           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-09 15:49             ` Alan Cox
2012-07-09 16:02             ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-09 16:33               ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-07  3:29 ` Matthew Garrett
2012-07-09 12:32   ` Mark Brown
2012-07-09 13:06     ` Matthew Garrett
2012-07-09 13:56       ` Mark Brown
2012-07-09 14:02         ` Matthew Garrett
2012-07-09 15:46           ` Mark Brown
2012-07-07  3:53 ` Olof Johansson
2012-07-07 19:27   ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-07 23:45     ` Jan Engelhardt
2012-07-08  5:05       ` Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
2012-07-08 20:28         ` Jan Engelhardt
2012-07-08  7:54     ` Jon Masters
2012-07-08 11:17       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2012-07-08 18:13         ` Jon Masters
2012-07-08 18:31       ` Jon Masters
2012-07-08 22:24         ` Dennis Gilmore
2012-07-09  2:01           ` Jon Masters
2012-07-09  8:57             ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-09 13:33             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2012-07-08 20:31       ` Jan Engelhardt
2012-07-08 23:32         ` Jon Masters
2012-07-10  7:10     ` Ingo Molnar
2012-07-10 10:10       ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-10 15:33         ` Alan Cox
2012-07-10 16:52           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-10 20:35             ` Ingo Molnar
2012-07-10 21:19               ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-10 21:48                 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-11  8:20                 ` Ingo Molnar
2012-07-11 11:30                 ` Alan Cox
2012-07-10 21:44               ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-11  8:55                 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-11  5:26             ` Rusty Russell
2012-07-11 10:53               ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-12  2:08                 ` Rusty Russell
2012-07-10 16:57           ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-10 16:52         ` Dennis Gilmore
2012-07-10 17:14         ` Joe Perches
2012-07-10 18:01           ` Jan Ceuleers
2012-07-10 18:05             ` richard -rw- weinberger
2012-07-10 20:16           ` Alexander Holler
2012-07-14 22:16             ` Jon Masters
2012-07-10 22:08         ` Chris Adams
2012-07-14  9:30         ` Pavel Machek
2012-07-15 12:16           ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-15 19:43             ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-15 21:33               ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-16 12:16                 ` Pavel Machek
2012-07-17  7:05                   ` Jon Masters
2012-07-17  8:02                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-17  9:50                       ` Alan Cox
2012-07-18  2:36                         ` Jon Masters
2012-07-17 10:45                   ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-16  9:26               ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2012-07-17  6:53               ` Christoph Hellwig
2012-07-17  8:07                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-16  8:24             ` Avi Kivity
2012-07-17  7:09               ` Jon Masters
2012-07-17  8:37               ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-15 23:21         ` Måns Rullgård
2012-07-15 23:53           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2012-07-17 22:18             ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-17 22:35               ` Joe Perches
2012-07-18  2:33                 ` Jon Masters
2012-07-18 15:27                   ` Dennis Gilmore
2012-07-18 17:14                     ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-18 17:25                       ` Måns Rullgård
2012-07-18 19:35                       ` Jon Masters
2012-07-18 19:55                         ` Linus Torvalds
2012-07-19 14:16     ` Guillem Jover
2012-07-07 23:42   ` Jan Engelhardt
2012-07-08 10:18   ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-09 12:31     ` Jan Engelhardt
2012-07-07  9:30 ` Mikael Pettersson
2012-07-07 19:21   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2012-07-10 10:12   ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-14  9:35     ` Pavel Machek
2012-07-15 11:36       ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-16 16:19         ` Pavel Machek
2012-07-16 19:45           ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-07-16 19:47           ` Måns Rullgård
2012-07-18  5:35 ` Jon Masters
2012-07-18  9:13   ` Catalin Marinas
2012-07-26 11:59 ` Catalin Marinas
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