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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
Cc: Xiao Guangrong <xiaoguangrong@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	gleb@redhat.com, avi.kivity@gmail.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 07/15] KVM: MMU: introduce nulls desc
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 10:31:57 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131125093157.GU10022@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131122191429.GA13308@amt.cnet>

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 05:14:29PM -0200, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> Also, there is no guarantee of termination (as long as sptes are
> deleted with the correct timing). BTW, can't see any guarantee of
> termination for rculist nulls either (a writer can race with a lockless
> reader indefinately, restarting the lockless walk every time).

What's an rculist null? rculists have regular termination conditions,
they'll reach the end (also head, due to circular etc..) in N steps,
where N is the number of elements.

Of course you can keep adding elements to protract this situation, but
you'll run out of memory eventually -- you also have to make sure to
insert them after the element being read, otherwise the iteration will
simply miss them.

Deleting an element preserves the element itself -- it has to be
RCU-freed to be part of an rculist, and the element also preserves its
fwd link, so any iterator will either not see the element, or if they're
at the element, they'll continue their iteration as normal (rculist
doesn't have backward iterators).

A deleted element may not be re-used before an RCU grace period has
lapsed. Same as for freeing such an element. So if you want to move an
rculist element you need to:

  list_del_rcu()
  synchronize_rcu();
  list_add_rcu();

Or use the list_splice_init_rcu() primitive which also explicitly takes
a @sync argument.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-11-25  9:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-23 13:29 [PATCH v3 00/15] KVM: MMU: locklessly write-protect Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 01/15] KVM: MMU: properly check last spte in fast_page_fault() Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-12  0:25   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 02/15] KVM: MMU: lazily drop large spte Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-12 22:44   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 03/15] KVM: MMU: flush tlb if the spte can be locklessly modified Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-13  0:10   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 04/15] KVM: MMU: flush tlb out of mmu lock when write-protect the sptes Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-14  0:36   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-14  5:15     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-14 18:39       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-15  7:09         ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-19  0:19           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 05/15] KVM: MMU: update spte and add it into rmap before dirty log Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-15  0:08   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 06/15] KVM: MMU: redesign the algorithm of pte_list Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-19  0:48   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 07/15] KVM: MMU: introduce nulls desc Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-22 19:14   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-25  6:11     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-25  6:29       ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-25 18:12         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-26  3:21           ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-26 10:12             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 19:31             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-28  8:53               ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-12-03  7:10                 ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-12-05 13:50                   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-12-05 15:30                     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-12-06  0:15                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-12-06  0:22                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-12-10  6:58                         ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-25 10:19       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-25 10:25         ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-25 12:48       ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-25 14:23         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-25 14:29           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-25 18:06             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-26  3:10           ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-26 10:15             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 19:58             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-28  8:32               ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-25 14:08       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-26  3:02         ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-25  9:31     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2013-11-25 10:59       ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-25 11:05         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-25 11:29           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 08/15] KVM: MMU: introduce pte-list lockless walker Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 09/15] KVM: MMU: initialize the pointers in pte_list_desc properly Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 10/15] KVM: MMU: allocate shadow pages from slab Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-24  9:19   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-24  9:29     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-24  9:52       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-24 10:10         ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-24 10:39           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-24 11:01             ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-24 12:32               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-28  3:16                 ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 11/15] KVM: MMU: locklessly access shadow page under rcu protection Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 12/15] KVM: MMU: check last spte with unawareness of mapping level Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 13/15] KVM: MMU: locklessly write-protect the page Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-24  9:17   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-24  9:24     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-24  9:32       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 14/15] KVM: MMU: clean up spte_write_protect Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 15/15] KVM: MMU: use rcu functions to access the pointer Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-03 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 00/15] KVM: MMU: locklessly write-protect Gleb Natapov
2013-11-11  5:33   ` Xiao Guangrong

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