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From: Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>
To: Xiao Guangrong <xiaoguangrong@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Gleb Natapov <gleb@redhat.com>,
	avi.kivity@gmail.com,
	"pbonzini@redhat.com Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Eric Dumazet <dada1@cosmosbay.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 07/15] KVM: MMU: introduce nulls desc
Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 11:50:21 -0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131205135021.GA12996@amt.cnet> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <529D83F8.7050605@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

GOn Tue, Dec 03, 2013 at 03:10:48PM +0800, Xiao Guangrong wrote:
> On 11/28/2013 04:53 PM, Xiao Guangrong wrote:
> > On 11/27/2013 03:31 AM, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> >> On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:21:37AM +0800, Xiao Guangrong wrote:
> >>> On 11/26/2013 02:12 AM, Marcelo Tosatti wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 02:29:03PM +0800, Xiao Guangrong wrote:
> >>>>>>> Also, there is no guarantee of termination (as long as sptes are
> >>>>>>> deleted with the correct timing). BTW, can't see any guarantee of
> >>>>>>> termination for rculist nulls either (a writer can race with a lockless
> >>>>>>> reader indefinately, restarting the lockless walk every time).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hmm, that can be avoided by checking dirty-bitmap before rewalk,
> >>>>>> that means, if the dirty-bitmap has been set during lockless write-protection,
> >>>>>> it�s unnecessary to write-protect its sptes. Your idea?
> >>>>> This idea is based on the fact that the number of rmap is limited by
> >>>>> RMAP_RECYCLE_THRESHOLD. So, in the case of adding new spte into rmap,
> >>>>> we can break the rewalk at once, in the case of deleting, we can only
> >>>>> rewalk RMAP_RECYCLE_THRESHOLD times.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please explain in more detail.
> >>>
> >>> Okay.
> >>>
> >>> My proposal is like this:
> >>>
> >>> pte_list_walk_lockless()
> >>> {
> >>> restart:
> >>>
> >>> +	if (__test_bit(slot->arch.dirty_bitmap, gfn-index))
> >>> +		return;
> >>>
> >>> 	code-doing-lockless-walking;
> >>> 	......
> >>> }
> >>>
> >>> Before do lockless-walking, we check the dirty-bitmap first, if
> >>> it is set we can simply skip write-protection for the gfn, that
> >>> is the case that new spte is being added into rmap when we lockless
> >>> access the rmap.
> >>
> >> The dirty bit could be set after the check.
> >>
> >>> For the case of deleting spte from rmap, the number of entry is limited
> >>> by RMAP_RECYCLE_THRESHOLD, that is not endlessly.
> >>
> >> It can shrink and grow while lockless walk is performed.
> > 
> > Yes, indeed.
> > 
> > Hmmm, another idea in my mind to fix this is encoding the position into
> > the reserved bits of desc->more pointer, for example:
> > 
> >           +------+    +------+    +------+
> > rmapp ->  |Desc 0| -> |Desc 1| -> |Desc 2|
> >           +------+    +------+    +------+
> > 
> > There are 3 descs on the rmap, and:
> > rmapp = &desc0 | 1UL | 3UL << 50;
> > desc0->more = desc1 | 2UL << 50;
> > desc1->more = desc0 | 1UL << 50
> > desc2->more = &rmapp | 1UL; (The nulls pointer)
> > 
> > We will walk to the next desc only if the "position" of current desc
> > is >= the position of next desc. That can make sure we can reach the
> > last desc anyway.
> > 
> > And in order to avoiding doing too many "rewalk", we will goto the
> > slow path (do walk with holding the lock) instead when retry the walk
> > more that N times.
> 
> How about this idea? Or you guys still prefer to the idea of lockless on
> first-level?

Xiao,

Is it not the case that simply moving to the slow path once a maximum of
rewalks has been reached enough? (looks a like a good solution).

Please move lockless rcu walking code to generic code where it belongs.


  reply	other threads:[~2013-12-05 15:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-23 13:29 [PATCH v3 00/15] KVM: MMU: locklessly write-protect Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 01/15] KVM: MMU: properly check last spte in fast_page_fault() Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-12  0:25   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 02/15] KVM: MMU: lazily drop large spte Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-12 22:44   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 03/15] KVM: MMU: flush tlb if the spte can be locklessly modified Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-13  0:10   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 04/15] KVM: MMU: flush tlb out of mmu lock when write-protect the sptes Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-14  0:36   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-14  5:15     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-14 18:39       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-15  7:09         ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-19  0:19           ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 05/15] KVM: MMU: update spte and add it into rmap before dirty log Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-15  0:08   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 06/15] KVM: MMU: redesign the algorithm of pte_list Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-19  0:48   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 07/15] KVM: MMU: introduce nulls desc Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-22 19:14   ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-25  6:11     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-25  6:29       ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-25 18:12         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-26  3:21           ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-26 10:12             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 19:31             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-28  8:53               ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-12-03  7:10                 ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-12-05 13:50                   ` Marcelo Tosatti [this message]
2013-12-05 15:30                     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-12-06  0:15                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-12-06  0:22                       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-12-10  6:58                         ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-25 10:19       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-25 10:25         ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-25 12:48       ` Avi Kivity
2013-11-25 14:23         ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-25 14:29           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-25 18:06             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-26  3:10           ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-26 10:15             ` Gleb Natapov
2013-11-26 19:58             ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-28  8:32               ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-25 14:08       ` Marcelo Tosatti
2013-11-26  3:02         ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-25  9:31     ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-25 10:59       ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-25 11:05         ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-11-25 11:29           ` Peter Zijlstra
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 08/15] KVM: MMU: introduce pte-list lockless walker Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 09/15] KVM: MMU: initialize the pointers in pte_list_desc properly Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 10/15] KVM: MMU: allocate shadow pages from slab Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-24  9:19   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-24  9:29     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-24  9:52       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-24 10:10         ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-24 10:39           ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-24 11:01             ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-24 12:32               ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-28  3:16                 ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 11/15] KVM: MMU: locklessly access shadow page under rcu protection Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 12/15] KVM: MMU: check last spte with unawareness of mapping level Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 13/15] KVM: MMU: locklessly write-protect the page Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-24  9:17   ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-24  9:24     ` Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-24  9:32       ` Gleb Natapov
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 14/15] KVM: MMU: clean up spte_write_protect Xiao Guangrong
2013-10-23 13:29 ` [PATCH v3 15/15] KVM: MMU: use rcu functions to access the pointer Xiao Guangrong
2013-11-03 12:29 ` [PATCH v3 00/15] KVM: MMU: locklessly write-protect Gleb Natapov
2013-11-11  5:33   ` Xiao Guangrong

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