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From: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/17] mm: rmap preparation for remap_anon_pages
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:52:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20141007155247.GD2342@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141007141913.GC2342@redhat.com>

On Tue, Oct 07, 2014 at 04:19:13PM +0200, Andrea Arcangeli wrote:
> mremap like interface, or file+commands protocol interface. I tend to
> like mremap more, that's why I opted for a remap_anon_pages syscall
> kept orthogonal to the userfaultfd functionality (remap_anon_pages
> could be also used standalone as an accelerated mremap in some
> circumstances) but nothing prevents to just embed the same mechanism

Sorry for the self followup, but something else comes to mind to
elaborate this further.

In term of interfaces, the most efficient I could think of to minimize
the enter/exit kernel, would be to append the "source address" of the
data received from the network transport, to the userfaultfd_write()
command (by appending 8 bytes to the wakeup command). Said that,
mixing the mechanism to be notified about userfaults with the
mechanism to resolve an userfault to me looks a complication. I kind
of liked to keep the userfaultfd protocol is very simple and doing
just its thing. The userfaultfd doesn't need to know how the userfault
was resolved, even mremap would work theoretically (until we run out
of vmas). I thought it was simpler to keep it that way. However if we
want to resolve the fault with a "write()" syscall this may be the
most efficient way to do it, as we're already doing a write() into the
pseudofd to wakeup the page fault that contains the destination
address, I just need to append the source address to the wakeup command.

I probably grossly overestimated the benefits of resolving the
userfault with a zerocopy page move, sorry. So if we entirely drop the
zerocopy behavior and the TLB flush of the old page like you
suggested, the way to keep the userfaultfd mechanism decoupled from
the userfault resolution mechanism would be to implement an
atomic-copy syscall. That would work for SIGBUS userfaults too without
requiring a pseudofd then. It would be enough then to call
mcopy_atomic(userfault_addr,tmp_addr,len) with the only constraints
that len must be a multiple of PAGE_SIZE. Of course mcopy_atomic
wouldn't page fault or call GUP into the destination address (it can't
otherwise the in-flight partial copy would be visible to the process,
breaking the atomicity of the copy), but it would fill in the
pte/trans_huge_pmd with the same strict behavior that remap_anon_pages
currently has (in turn it would by design bypass the VM_USERFAULT
check and be ideal for resolving userfaults).

mcopy_atomic could then be also extended to tmpfs and it would work
without requiring the source page to be a tmpfs page too without
having to convert page types on the fly.

If I add mcopy_atomic, the patch in subject (10/17) can be dropped of
course so it'd be even less intrusive than the current
remap_anon_pages and it would require zero TLB flush during its
runtime (it would just require an atomic copy).

So should I try to embed a mcopy_atomic inside userfault_write or can
I expose it to userland as a standalone new syscall? Or should I do
something different? Comments?

Thanks,
Andrea

  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-07 15:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-10-03 17:07 [PATCH 00/17] RFC: userfault v2 Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-03 17:07 ` [PATCH 01/17] mm: gup: add FOLL_TRIED Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-03 18:15   ` Linus Torvalds
2014-10-03 20:55     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-10-03 17:07 ` [PATCH 02/17] mm: gup: add get_user_pages_locked and get_user_pages_unlocked Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-03 17:07 ` [PATCH 03/17] mm: gup: use get_user_pages_unlocked within get_user_pages_fast Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-03 17:07 ` [PATCH 04/17] mm: gup: make get_user_pages_fast and __get_user_pages_fast latency conscious Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-03 18:23   ` Linus Torvalds
2014-10-06 14:14     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-03 17:07 ` [PATCH 05/17] mm: gup: use get_user_pages_fast and get_user_pages_unlocked Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-03 17:07 ` [PATCH 06/17] kvm: Faults which trigger IO release the mmap_sem Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-03 17:07 ` [PATCH 07/17] mm: madvise MADV_USERFAULT: prepare vm_flags to allow more than 32bits Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-07  9:03   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-11-06 20:08   ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2014-10-03 17:07 ` [PATCH 08/17] mm: madvise MADV_USERFAULT Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-03 23:13   ` Mike Hommey
2014-10-06 17:24     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-07 10:36   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-10-07 10:46     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-10-07 10:52       ` [Qemu-devel] " Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-10-07 11:01         ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-10-07 11:30           ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-10-07 13:24     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-07 15:21       ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-10-03 17:07 ` [PATCH 09/17] mm: PT lock: export double_pt_lock/unlock Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-03 17:08 ` [PATCH 10/17] mm: rmap preparation for remap_anon_pages Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-03 18:31   ` Linus Torvalds
2014-10-06  8:55     ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-10-06 16:41       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-07 12:47         ` Linus Torvalds
2014-10-07 14:19           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-07 15:52             ` Andrea Arcangeli [this message]
2014-10-07 15:54               ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-07 16:13               ` Peter Feiner
2014-10-07 16:56             ` Linus Torvalds
2014-10-07 17:07           ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-10-07 17:14             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-10-07 17:25               ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-10-07 11:10   ` [Qemu-devel] " Kirill A. Shutemov
2014-10-07 13:37     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-03 17:08 ` [PATCH 11/17] mm: swp_entry_swapcount Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-03 17:08 ` [PATCH 12/17] mm: sys_remap_anon_pages Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-04 13:13   ` Andi Kleen
2014-10-06 17:00     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-03 17:08 ` [PATCH 13/17] waitqueue: add nr wake parameter to __wake_up_locked_key Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-03 17:08 ` [PATCH 14/17] userfaultfd: add new syscall to provide memory externalization Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-03 17:08 ` [PATCH 15/17] userfaultfd: make userfaultfd_write non blocking Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-03 17:08 ` [PATCH 16/17] powerpc: add remap_anon_pages and userfaultfd Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-03 17:08 ` [PATCH 17/17] userfaultfd: implement USERFAULTFD_RANGE_REGISTER|UNREGISTER Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-27  9:32 ` [PATCH 00/17] RFC: userfault v2 zhanghailiang
2014-10-29 17:46   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-29 17:56     ` [Qemu-devel] " Peter Maydell
2014-11-21 20:14       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-11-21 23:05         ` Peter Maydell
2014-11-25 19:45           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-10-30 11:31     ` zhanghailiang
2014-10-30 12:49       ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2014-10-31  1:26         ` zhanghailiang
2014-11-19 18:49           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-11-20  2:54             ` zhanghailiang
2014-11-20 17:38               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-11-21  7:19                 ` zhanghailiang
2014-10-31  2:23       ` Peter Feiner
2014-10-31  3:29         ` zhanghailiang
2014-10-31  4:38           ` zhanghailiang
2014-10-31  5:17             ` Andres Lagar-Cavilla
2014-10-31  8:11               ` zhanghailiang
2014-10-31 19:39           ` Peter Feiner
2014-11-01  8:48             ` zhanghailiang
2014-11-20 17:29             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2014-11-12  7:18       ` zhanghailiang

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