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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Quentin Perret <quentin.perret@arm.com>
Cc: rjw@rjwysocki.net, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-pm@vger.kernel.org, gregkh@linuxfoundation.org,
	mingo@redhat.com, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	morten.rasmussen@arm.com, chris.redpath@arm.com,
	patrick.bellasi@arm.com, valentin.schneider@arm.com,
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	joel@joelfernandes.org, smuckle@google.com, adharmap@quicinc.com,
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	javi.merino@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 09/14] sched: Add over-utilization/tipping point indicator
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2018 15:08:01 +0200
Message-ID: <20180802130801.GL2494@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180802130337.uf6tlac2hg4nkbwr@queper01-lin>

On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 02:03:38PM +0100, Quentin Perret wrote:
> On Thursday 02 Aug 2018 at 14:26:29 (+0200), Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 01:25:16PM +0100, Quentin Perret wrote:
> > > @@ -5100,8 +5118,17 @@ enqueue_task_fair(struct rq *rq, struct task_struct *p, int flags)
> > >  		update_cfs_group(se);
> > >  	}
> > >  
> > > -	if (!se)
> > > +	if (!se) {
> > >  		add_nr_running(rq, 1);
> > > +		/*
> > > +		 * The utilization of a new task is 'wrong' so wait for it
> > > +		 * to build some utilization history before trying to detect
> > > +		 * the overutilized flag.
> > > +		 */
> > > +		if (flags & ENQUEUE_WAKEUP)
> > > +			update_overutilized_status(rq);
> > > +
> > > +	}
> > >  
> > >  	hrtick_update(rq);
> > >  }
> > 
> > That is a somewhat dodgy hack. There is no guarantee what so ever that
> > when the task wakes next its history is any better. The comment doesn't
> > reflect this I feel.
> 
> AFAICT the main use-case here is to avoid re-enabling the load balance
> and ruining all the task placement because of a tiny task. I don't
> really see how we can do that differently ...

Sure I realize that.. but it doesn't completely avoid it. Suppose this
new task instantly blocks and wakes up again. Then its util signal will
be exactly what you didn't want but we'll account it and cause the above
scenario you wanted to avoid.

Now, I suppose in practise it works well enough.

The alternative is trying to track when a running signal has converged,
but that's not a simple problem either I suppose.

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Thread overview: 72+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-24 12:25 [PATCH v5 00/14] Energy Aware Scheduling Quentin Perret
2018-07-24 12:25 ` [PATCH v5 01/14] sched: Relocate arch_scale_cpu_capacity Quentin Perret
2018-07-24 12:25 ` [PATCH v5 02/14] sched/cpufreq: Factor out utilization to frequency mapping Quentin Perret
2018-07-24 12:25 ` [PATCH v5 03/14] PM: Introduce an Energy Model management framework Quentin Perret
2018-08-09 21:52   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-08-10  8:15     ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-10  8:41       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-08-10  9:12         ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-10 11:13           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-08-10 12:30             ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-12  9:49               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-07-24 12:25 ` [PATCH v5 04/14] PM / EM: Expose the Energy Model in sysfs Quentin Perret
2018-07-24 12:25 ` [PATCH v5 05/14] sched/topology: Reference the Energy Model of CPUs when available Quentin Perret
2018-07-24 12:25 ` [PATCH v5 06/14] sched/topology: Lowest energy aware balancing sched_domain level pointer Quentin Perret
2018-07-26 16:00   ` Valentin Schneider
2018-07-26 17:01     ` Quentin Perret
2018-07-24 12:25 ` [PATCH v5 07/14] sched/topology: Introduce sched_energy_present static key Quentin Perret
2018-07-24 12:25 ` [PATCH v5 08/14] sched/fair: Clean-up update_sg_lb_stats parameters Quentin Perret
2018-07-24 12:25 ` [PATCH v5 09/14] sched: Add over-utilization/tipping point indicator Quentin Perret
2018-08-02 12:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-02 13:03     ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-02 13:08       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-08-02 13:18         ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-02 13:48           ` Vincent Guittot
2018-08-02 14:14             ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-02 15:14               ` Vincent Guittot
2018-08-02 15:30                 ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-02 15:55                   ` Vincent Guittot
2018-08-02 16:00                     ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-02 16:07                       ` Vincent Guittot
2018-08-02 16:10                         ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-02 16:38                           ` Vincent Guittot
2018-08-02 16:59                             ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-03  7:48                               ` Vincent Guittot
2018-08-03  8:18                                 ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-03 13:49                                   ` Vincent Guittot
2018-08-03 14:21                                     ` Vincent Guittot
2018-08-03 15:55                                     ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-06  8:40                                       ` Vincent Guittot
2018-08-06  9:43                                         ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-06 10:45                                           ` Vincent Guittot
2018-08-06 11:02                                             ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-06 10:08                                         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-06 10:33                                           ` Vincent Guittot
2018-08-06 12:29                                             ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-06 12:37                                               ` Vincent Guittot
2018-08-06 13:20                                                 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-09  9:30   ` Vincent Guittot
2018-08-09  9:38     ` Quentin Perret
2018-07-24 12:25 ` [PATCH v5 10/14] sched/cpufreq: Refactor the utilization aggregation method Quentin Perret
2018-07-30 19:35   ` skannan
2018-07-31  7:59     ` Quentin Perret
2018-07-31 19:31       ` skannan
2018-08-01  7:32         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-08-01  8:23           ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-01  8:35             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-08-01  9:23               ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-01  9:40                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-08-02 13:04                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-02 15:39                   ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-03 13:04                     ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-02 12:33     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-02 12:45       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-02 15:21         ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-02 17:36           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-03 12:42             ` Quentin Perret
2018-07-24 12:25 ` [PATCH v5 11/14] sched/fair: Introduce an energy estimation helper function Quentin Perret
2018-07-24 12:25 ` [PATCH v5 12/14] sched/fair: Select an energy-efficient CPU on task wake-up Quentin Perret
2018-08-02 13:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-08-02 16:21     ` Quentin Perret
2018-07-24 12:25 ` [PATCH v5 13/14] OPTIONAL: arch_topology: Start Energy Aware Scheduling Quentin Perret
2018-07-24 12:25 ` [PATCH v5 14/14] OPTIONAL: cpufreq: dt: Register an Energy Model Quentin Perret

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