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From: Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>
To: Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Todd Kjos <tkjos@google.com>, Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com>,
	Steve Muckle <smuckle@google.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/14] sched/core: uclamp: extend sched_setattr to support utilization clamping
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2018 09:50:11 +0200
Message-ID: <20180810075011.GA20366@localhost.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180809152313.lewfhufidhxb2qrk@darkstar>

On 09/08/18 16:23, Patrick Bellasi wrote:
> On 09-Aug 11:50, Juri Lelli wrote:
> > On 09/08/18 10:14, Patrick Bellasi wrote:
> > > On 07-Aug 14:35, Juri Lelli wrote:
> > > > On 06/08/18 17:39, Patrick Bellasi wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > 1) make CAP_SYS_NICE protected the clamp groups, with an optional boot
> > >    time parameter to relax this check
> > 
> > It seems to me that this might work well with that the intended usage of
> > the interface that you depict above. SMS only (or any privileged user)
> > will be in control of how groups are configured, so no problem for
> > normal users.
> 
> Yes, well... apart normal users still getting a -ENOSPC is they are
> requesting one of the not pre-configured clamp values. Which is why
> the following bits can be helpful.
> 
> > > 2) add discretization support to clamp groups allocation
> > 
> > And this might also work well if we feel that we don't want to restrict
> > usage of the interface to admin only, however...
> > 
> > > This second feature specifically, will ensure that clamp values are
> > > always mapped into one of the available clamp groups. While the exact
> > > clamp value can always be used for tasks placement biasing, when it
> > > comes to frequency selection biasing, depending on concurrently
> > > running tasks, you can end up with an effective clamp value which is a
> > > rounded up.
> > 
> > what I'm not so sure about is that we might lose in flexibility if the
> > number of available discrete clamp groups is too small compared to the
> > number of available OPP on the platform.
> 
> Regarding this concern, I would say that we should consider that, for
> frequency biasing, we are in general not interested in nailing down
> the single 1% difference and/or exact OPP capacities

True.

> A certain coarse grained resolution is usually acceptable for many
> different reasons:
> a) schedutil already uses a 20% margin which can potentially eclipse
>    few OPP when we scale up/down
> b) tasks/CPUs utilization are good enough but never exact and precise
>    values
> c) reducing the number of OPP switches could have some benefits on
>    stability/latencies
> d) clamping is actually defining minimum/maximum preferred values, is
>    not to be considered a tool for "precise control"
> 
> All that considered, I would say that maybe a 5% resolution could
> still be considered an acceptable _worst case_ rounding since we don't
> have always to round up to the next 5%.
> 
> For example, if we have:
>  - TaskA: util_min=41%
>  - TaskB: util_nin=44%
> they will be both accounted in the 40-45% clamp group but the clamp
> group value can be modulated at run-time depending on RUNNABLE
> tasks. When TaskA is running alone, we can still set util_min to
> 41%, while we will use 44% (not 45%) when TaskB is (also) running.
> 
> It's worth to notice that we pre-allocated at compile time 20 clamp
> groups, but not necessarily all of them will be used at run-time.
> Indeed, we will still use a policy where only the actual required
> values are allocated at the beginning of the clamps map, thus
> optimizing max updates.

OK, so you'll only still iterate over the groups that are actually in
use, which is hopefully less than 20 and should keep overhead low. Makes
sense to me.

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Thread overview: 82+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-06 16:39 [PATCH v3 00/14] Add utilization clamping support Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-06 16:39 ` [PATCH v3 01/14] sched/core: uclamp: extend sched_setattr to support utilization clamping Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-06 16:50   ` Randy Dunlap
2018-08-09  8:39     ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-09 15:20       ` Randy Dunlap
2018-08-07  9:59   ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-13 12:14     ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-13 12:27       ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-07 12:35   ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-09  9:14     ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-09  9:50       ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-09 15:23         ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-10  7:50           ` Juri Lelli [this message]
2018-08-17 10:34           ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-17 10:57             ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-17 11:14               ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-06 16:39 ` [PATCH v3 02/14] sched/core: uclamp: map TASK's clamp values into CPU's clamp groups Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-14 11:25   ` Pavan Kondeti
2018-08-14 15:21     ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-06 16:39 ` [PATCH v3 03/14] sched/core: uclamp: add CPU's clamp groups accounting Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-14 15:44   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-14 16:49     ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-15  9:37       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-15 10:54         ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-15 10:59           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-16 13:32             ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-16 13:37               ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-16 13:45                 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-16 14:21                   ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-16 15:00                     ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-17 11:04   ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-06 16:39 ` [PATCH v3 04/14] sched/core: uclamp: update CPU's refcount on clamp changes Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-15 15:02   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-16 13:22     ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-06 16:39 ` [PATCH v3 05/14] sched/cpufreq: uclamp: add utilization clamping for FAIR tasks Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-08 13:18   ` Vincent Guittot
2018-08-09 15:30     ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-15 15:30   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-16 13:53     ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-06 16:39 ` [PATCH v3 06/14] sched/cpufreq: uclamp: add utilization clamping for RT tasks Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-07 13:26   ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-09 15:34     ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-09 16:03       ` Vincent Guittot
2018-08-13 10:12         ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-13 10:50           ` Juri Lelli
2018-08-13 12:07           ` Vincent Guittot
2018-08-13 12:09             ` Vincent Guittot
2018-08-13 12:49             ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-13 14:06               ` Vincent Guittot
2018-08-13 15:01                 ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-16 10:34                   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-16 13:40                     ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-07 13:54   ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-09 15:41     ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-09 15:55       ` Quentin Perret
2018-08-13 10:17         ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-06 16:39 ` [PATCH v3 07/14] sched/core: uclamp: enforce last task UCLAMP_MAX Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-16 15:43   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-16 16:47     ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-16 17:10       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-16 17:27         ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-16 17:20   ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-06 16:39 ` [PATCH v3 08/14] sched/core: uclamp: extend cpu's cgroup controller Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-17 12:21   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-17 14:24     ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-06 16:39 ` [PATCH v3 09/14] sched/core: uclamp: propagate parent clamps Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-16  9:09   ` Pavan Kondeti
2018-08-16 14:07     ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-17 13:43   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-17 14:45     ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-17 15:50       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-20 10:01         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-20 12:28           ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-06 16:39 ` [PATCH v3 10/14] sched/core: uclamp: map TG's clamp values into CPU's clamp groups Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-06 16:39 ` [PATCH v3 11/14] sched/core: uclamp: use TG's clamps to restrict Task's clamps Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-06 16:39 ` [PATCH v3 12/14] sched/core: uclamp: add system default clamps Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-16  9:13   ` Pavan Kondeti
2018-08-16 14:37     ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-20 10:18   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-08-20 12:27     ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-06 16:39 ` [PATCH v3 13/14] sched/core: uclamp: update CPU's refcount on TG's clamp changes Patrick Bellasi
2018-08-06 16:39 ` [PATCH v3 14/14] sched/core: uclamp: use percentage clamp values Patrick Bellasi

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