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From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Daniel Colascione <dancol@google.com>
Cc: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.ibm.com>,
	Tim Murray <timmurray@google.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	"Dennis Zhou (Facebook)" <dennisszhou@gmail.com>,
	Prashant Dhamdhere <pdhamdhe@redhat.com>,
	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Document /proc/pid PID reuse behavior
Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2018 09:59:47 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181120175947.GE3065@bombadil.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKOZuevidVnZ+9vB1CxsetPVH=2P7eoORA1F445HOp-jS5rwOA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 09:48:27AM -0800, Daniel Colascione wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2018 at 9:39 AM Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> wrote:
> > We have a limit on the number of FDs a process can have open for a reason.
> > Well, for many reasons.
> 
> And the typical limit is too low. (I've seen people clamp it to 1024
> for some reason.)

1024 is the soft limit.  4096 is the default hard limit.  You can always
ask root to set your hard limit higher if that's what you need.

> A file descriptor is just a handle to a kernel
> resource. All kernel resources held on behalf of applications need
> *some* kind of management interface. File descriptors provide a
> consistent and uniform instance of such a management interface. Unless
> there's a very good reason, nobody should be using non-FD handles for
> kernel resource management. A low default FD table size limit is not
> an example of one of these good reasons, not when we can raise FD
> table size limit. In general, the software projects should not have to
> put up with ugly workarounds for limitations they impose on
> themselves.

I'm not really sure why you decided to go off on this rant.  My point to
Pavel was that there's no way a single process can tie up all of the PIDs.
Unless root decided to let them shoot everybody else in the system in
the foot.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-11-20 18:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-10-31 15:06 [PATCH] Document /proc/pid PID reuse behavior Daniel Colascione
2018-11-01  7:08 ` Mike Rapoport
2018-11-05 13:22 ` [PATCH v2] " Daniel Colascione
2018-11-06  6:01   ` Mike Rapoport
2018-11-07 17:16     ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-11-07 18:21       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-11-06 13:05   ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-07 15:48     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-11-07 16:00       ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-07 16:10         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-11-07 16:19           ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-19 11:16           ` Aleksa Sarai
2018-11-07 17:04         ` Martin Steigerwald
2018-11-08 12:02           ` David Laight
2018-11-08 12:27             ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-11-08 13:42               ` David Laight
2018-11-08 14:07                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-11-08 14:14                   ` David Laight
2018-11-08 13:25           ` Michal Hocko
2018-11-19 10:54   ` Pavel Machek
2018-11-19 16:24     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-11-20  8:50       ` Pavel Machek
2018-11-20  9:05     ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-11-20  9:18       ` Pavel Machek
2018-11-20 17:39         ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-11-20 17:48           ` Daniel Colascione
2018-11-20 17:59             ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2018-11-20 16:37       ` Joel Fernandes
2018-11-20 16:49       ` Jonathan Corbet
2018-11-20 16:57         ` Pavel Machek

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