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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Uros Bizjak <ubizjak@gmail.com>, Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>,
	the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com>,
	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 -tip] x86/percpu: Use C for arch_raw_cpu_ptr()
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 10:54:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231019085432.GQ33217@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=whEc2HR3En32uyAufPM3tEh8J4+dot6JyGW=Eg5SEhx7A@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 03:40:05PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:

> Look at the *REAL* sequence counter code in <linux/seqlock.h>. Notice
> how in raw_read_seqcount_begin() we have
> 
>         unsigned _seq = __read_seqcount_begin(s);
>         smp_rmb();
> 
> because it actually does the proper barriers. Notice how the garbage
> code in __cyc2ns_read() doesn't have them - and how it was buggy as a
> result.
> 
> (Also notice how this all predates our "we should use load_acquire()
> instead of smb_rmb()", but whatever).

seqlock actually wants rmb even today, the pattern is:

    do {
	seq = load-seq
	rmb
	load-data
	rmb
    } while (seq != re-load-seq)

we specifically only care about loads, and the data loads must be
between the sequence number loads.

As such, load-acquire is not a natural match.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-10-19  8:55 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-10 16:42 [PATCH v2 -tip] x86/percpu: Use C for arch_raw_cpu_ptr() Uros Bizjak
2023-10-10 17:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-10 18:22   ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-10 18:25     ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-10 18:42       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-10 18:37     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-10 18:41       ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-10 18:52         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-11  7:27           ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-11  7:45             ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-11 19:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-11 18:42           ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-11 19:51             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-11 19:52               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-11 20:00               ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-11 22:37               ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-11 23:15                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2023-10-12  1:35                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-10-12  6:19                     ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-12 16:08                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-10-12 17:59                         ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-12 21:30                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-10-13 10:52                             ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-11  7:41       ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-11 19:37         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-11 21:32           ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-11 21:54             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-12 15:19               ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-12 16:33                 ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-12 16:55                   ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-12 17:10                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-12 17:47                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-12 18:01                         ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-13  9:38                           ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-13 11:53                             ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-13 16:38                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-12 17:52                       ` Uros Bizjak
2023-11-20  9:39                       ` Use %a asm operand modifier to obtain %rip-relative addressing Uros Bizjak
2023-10-12 16:56                   ` [PATCH v2 -tip] x86/percpu: Use C for arch_raw_cpu_ptr() Linus Torvalds
2023-10-12 17:16                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-12 19:32                   ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-12 19:40                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-16 18:52                 ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-16 19:24                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-16 20:35                     ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-16 20:59                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-16 23:02                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-16 23:14                         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-17  7:23                         ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-17 19:00                           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-17 19:11                             ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-17 21:05                               ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-17 21:53                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-17 22:06                                   ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-17 22:29                                     ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-18  7:46                                   ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18  9:04                                     ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 10:54                                       ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-18 12:14                                         ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 13:15                                           ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 14:46                                             ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-18 15:17                                               ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 16:03                                                 ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-18 16:26                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-18 17:23                                                     ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 18:11                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-18 18:08                                                     ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 18:15                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-18 18:26                                                         ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 19:33                                                           ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 20:17                                                             ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-18 20:22                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-18 20:34                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-18 20:51                                                                 ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 21:09                                                                   ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 21:10                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-18 21:40                                                                     ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 22:40                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-18 23:06                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-19  7:04                                                                         ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-19 16:59                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-19 17:21                                                                             ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-19 18:06                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-19 18:16                                                                                 ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-19 18:49                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-19 19:07                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-20  7:57                                                                                       ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-19 21:04                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-19 22:39                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-20  8:08                                                                                       ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-19  8:44                                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-19  8:54                                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2023-10-19 17:04                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-19 18:13                                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-19 18:22                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-19 18:37                                                                                 ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-19  9:07                                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-19  9:23                                                                           ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 20:42                                                               ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-19 16:32                                                               ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-19 17:08                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-18 18:29                                                       ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-18 16:12                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-18 17:07                                               ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 18:01                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-16 21:09                   ` Uros Bizjak

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