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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Uros Bizjak <ubizjak@gmail.com>
Cc: peterz@infradead.org, Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>,
	"the arch/x86 maintainers" <x86@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>,
	Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk@redhat.com>,
	"H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 -tip] x86/percpu: Use C for arch_raw_cpu_ptr()
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2023 09:59:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wijmmRB7-ZeT-sdxCSUoB83Lb5dnN7a7mCcH3cRw_aghQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFULd4avm_TaEoRauohRc90SUrx-D+wBJvg+htQDQ1_N=zNemw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 at 00:04, Uros Bizjak <ubizjak@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Let me explain how the compiler handles volatile.

We're talking past each other.

You are talking about the volatile *memory* ops, and the the
difference that "raw" vs "this" would cause with and without the
"volatile".

While *I* am now convinced that the memory ops aren't even an option,
because they will generate worse code, because pretty much all users
use the "this" version (which would have to use volatile),

Because if we just stick with inline asms, the need for "volatile"
simply goes away.

The existing volatile on those percpu inline asms is *wrong*. It's a
historical mistake.

And with just a plain non-volatile inline asm, the inline asm wins.

It doesn't have the (bad) read-once behavior of a volatile memory op.

And it also doesn't have the (horrible correctness issue)
rematerialization behavior of a non-volatile memory op.

A compiler that were to rematerializes an inline asm (instead of
spilling) would be a bad joke. That's not an optimization, that's just
a crazy bad compiler with a code generation bug.

                      Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-19 17:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-10 16:42 [PATCH v2 -tip] x86/percpu: Use C for arch_raw_cpu_ptr() Uros Bizjak
2023-10-10 17:32 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-10 18:22   ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-10 18:25     ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-10 18:42       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-10 18:37     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-10 18:41       ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-10 18:52         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-11  7:27           ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-11  7:45             ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-11 19:40               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-11 18:42           ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-11 19:51             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-11 19:52               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-11 20:00               ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-11 22:37               ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-11 23:15                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2023-10-12  1:35                   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-10-12  6:19                     ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-12 16:08                       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-10-12 17:59                         ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-12 21:30                           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2023-10-13 10:52                             ` Ingo Molnar
2023-10-11  7:41       ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-11 19:37         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-11 21:32           ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-11 21:54             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-12 15:19               ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-12 16:33                 ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-12 16:55                   ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-12 17:10                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-12 17:47                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-12 18:01                         ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-13  9:38                           ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-13 11:53                             ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-13 16:38                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-12 17:52                       ` Uros Bizjak
2023-11-20  9:39                       ` Use %a asm operand modifier to obtain %rip-relative addressing Uros Bizjak
2023-10-12 16:56                   ` [PATCH v2 -tip] x86/percpu: Use C for arch_raw_cpu_ptr() Linus Torvalds
2023-10-12 17:16                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-12 19:32                   ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-12 19:40                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-16 18:52                 ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-16 19:24                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-16 20:35                     ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-16 20:59                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-16 23:02                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-16 23:14                         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-17  7:23                         ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-17 19:00                           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-17 19:11                             ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-17 21:05                               ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-17 21:53                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-17 22:06                                   ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-17 22:29                                     ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-18  7:46                                   ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18  9:04                                     ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 10:54                                       ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-18 12:14                                         ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 13:15                                           ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 14:46                                             ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-18 15:17                                               ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 16:03                                                 ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-18 16:26                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-18 17:23                                                     ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 18:11                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-18 18:08                                                     ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 18:15                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-18 18:26                                                         ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 19:33                                                           ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 20:17                                                             ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-18 20:22                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-18 20:34                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-18 20:51                                                                 ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 21:09                                                                   ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 21:10                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-18 21:40                                                                     ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 22:40                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-18 23:06                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-19  7:04                                                                         ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-19 16:59                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2023-10-19 17:21                                                                             ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-19 18:06                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-19 18:16                                                                                 ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-19 18:49                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-19 19:07                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-20  7:57                                                                                       ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-19 21:04                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-19 22:39                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-20  8:08                                                                                       ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-19  8:44                                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-19  8:54                                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-19 17:04                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-19 18:13                                                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-19 18:22                                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-19 18:37                                                                                 ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-19  9:07                                                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-19  9:23                                                                           ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 20:42                                                               ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-19 16:32                                                               ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-19 17:08                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-18 18:29                                                       ` Nadav Amit
2023-10-18 16:12                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-18 17:07                                               ` Uros Bizjak
2023-10-18 18:01                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2023-10-16 21:09                   ` Uros Bizjak

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