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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Andrew Lunn <andrew@lunn.ch>,
	"Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	Eric Biggers <ebiggers@kernel.org>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Network Development <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	Samuel Neves <sneves@dei.uc.pt>,
	Jean-Philippe Aumasson <jeanphilippe.aumasson@gmail.com>,
	Linux Crypto Mailing List <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v3 02/17] zinc: introduce minimal cryptography library
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 07:51:54 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <35BC21D7-01F4-4F91-A7E9-8D15DE5B95D6@amacapital.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKv+Gu8QgRo-Oex2Sk5unET3FMq+1Cp2btAWXCB8xsALxjatHg@mail.gmail.com>



> On Sep 16, 2018, at 10:26 PM, Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org> wrote:

> 
> As far as I can tell (i.e., as a user not a network dev), WireGuard is
> an excellent piece of code, and I would like to see it merged. I also
> think there is little disagreement about the quality of the proposed
> algorithm implementations and the usefulness of having a set of easy
> to use solid crypto primitives in addition to or complementing the
> current crypto API.
> 
> I do have some concerns over how the code is organized though:
> 
> * simd_relax() is currently not called by the crypto routines
> themselves. This means that the worst case scheduling latency is
> unbounded, which is unacceptable for the -rt kernel. The worst case
> scheduling latency should never be proportional to the input size.
> (Apologies for not spotting that earlier)
> 
> * Using a cute name for the crypto library [that will end up being the
> preferred choice for casual use only] may confuse people, given that
> we have lots of code in crypto/ already. I'd much prefer using, e.g.,
> crypto/lib and crypto/api (regardless of where the arch specific
> pieces live)
> 
> * I'd prefer the arch specific pieces to live under arch, but I can
> live with keeping them in a single place, as long as the arch
> maintainers have some kind of jurisdiction over them. I also think
> there should be some overlap between the maintainership
> responsibilities of the two generic pieces (api and lib).
> 
> * (Nit) The GCC command line -include'd .h files contain variable and
> function definitions so they are actually .c files.

Hmm. I would suggest just getting rid of the -include magic entirely.  The resulting ifdef will be more comprehensible.


> * The current organization of the code puts all available (for the
> arch) versions of all routines into a single module, which can only be
> built in once we update random.c to use Zinc's chacha20 routines. This
> bloats the core kernel (which is a huge deal for embedded systems that
> have very strict boot requirements). It also makes it impossible to
> simply blacklist a module if you, for instance, prefer to use the
> [potentially more power efficient] scalar code over the SIMD code when
> using a distro kernel.

I think the module organization needs to change. It needs to be possible to have chacha20 built in but AES or whatever as a module.

> 
> [To summarize the 4 points above, I'd much rather see a more
> conventional organization where different parts are provided by
> different modules. I don't think the argument that inlining is needed
> for performance is actually valid, given that we have branch
> predictors and static keys, and the arch SIMD code is built as
> separate object files anyway]

I might have agreed before Spectre :(. Unfortunately, unless we do some magic, I think the code would look something like:

if (static_branch_likely(have_simd)) arch_chacha20();

...where arch_chacha20 is a *pointer*. And that will generate a retpoline and run very, very slowly.  (I just rewrote some of the x86 entry code to eliminate one retpoline. I got a 5% speedup on some tests according to the kbuild bot.)

So, if we really wanted modules, we’d need a new dynamic patching mechanism.

I would suggest instead adding two boot (or debugfs) options:

simd=off: disables simd_get using a static branch.

crypto_chacha20_nosimd: Does what it sounds like.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-17 14:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-11  1:08 [PATCH net-next v3 00/17] WireGuard: Secure Network Tunnel Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 01/17] asm: simd context helper API Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-12  6:14   ` Kevin Easton
2018-09-12 18:10     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-13  5:03       ` Kevin Easton
2018-09-13 13:52         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-13 13:53           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-15 19:58           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-15 20:01             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17 13:14         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 02/17] zinc: introduce minimal cryptography library Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 10:08   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-11 14:56     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-09-11 21:47       ` Eric Biggers
2018-09-11 22:02         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 23:30           ` Andrew Lunn
2018-09-11 23:57             ` David Miller
2018-09-12  0:02               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17  4:09               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-17  4:45                 ` David Miller
2018-09-17 14:55                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-17 14:59                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17  5:07                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17 14:53                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-17 14:59                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17 16:24                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-18 16:06                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-18 16:45                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17  5:26                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-17 14:51                   ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2018-09-17 15:28                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17 16:06                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-17 16:17                         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17 15:31                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17 16:07                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-17 16:16                         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17 16:18                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-18  0:56                             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17 15:52                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-18  4:21                     ` Herbert Xu
2018-09-18  4:26                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-18 18:53                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-18 20:36                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-19 16:55                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-11 22:16         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-11 22:18           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 23:01             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-12  0:01               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-12  4:29                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 21:22     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-12 22:56       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-12 23:45         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-13  5:41           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-13 14:32             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-13 15:42               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-13 15:58                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-14  6:15                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-14  9:53                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-13  6:39           ` Milan Broz
2018-09-13 14:34             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-13 15:26             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-13 14:18           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-13 15:07             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-13 14:15         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-13 15:04           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-13 15:45             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 22:08     ` Eric Biggers
2018-09-12 18:16       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-12 18:19         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-12 18:34           ` Eric Biggers
2018-09-14  6:21             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 03/17] zinc: ChaCha20 generic C implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 04/17] zinc: ChaCha20 ARM and ARM64 implementations Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 05/17] zinc: ChaCha20 x86_64 implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  8:22   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-11  9:00     ` Samuel Neves
2018-09-11  9:09       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-11 21:12         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 21:27           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-11 21:28             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 21:48           ` Eric Biggers
2018-09-11 22:04             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 06/17] zinc: ChaCha20 MIPS32r2 implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 07/17] zinc: Poly1305 generic C implementation and selftest Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:17   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 07/17] zinc: Poly1305 generic C implementations " Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 08/17] zinc: Poly1305 ARM and ARM64 implementations Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 09/17] zinc: Poly1305 x86_64 implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 10/17] zinc: Poly1305 MIPS32r2 and MIPS64 implementations Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 11/17] zinc: ChaCha20Poly1305 construction and selftest Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 12/17] zinc: BLAKE2s generic C implementation " Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 13/17] zinc: BLAKE2s x86_64 implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 14/17] zinc: Curve25519 generic C implementations and selftest Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 15/17] zinc: Curve25519 ARM implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 16/17] zinc: Curve25519 x86_64 implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 17/17] net: WireGuard secure network tunnel Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 12:59   ` kbuild test robot
2018-09-11 20:53     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 13:17   ` kbuild test robot
2018-09-11 21:05     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 13:30   ` Andrew Lunn
2018-09-11 21:08     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 21:55       ` Andrew Lunn

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