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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
To: Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>
Cc: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Netdev <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Samuel Neves <sneves@dei.uc.pt>,
	Jean-Philippe Aumasson <jeanphilippe.aumasson@gmail.com>,
	Linux Crypto Mailing List <linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v3 02/17] zinc: introduce minimal cryptography library
Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2018 16:45:10 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrU2qkLVaxC=cpU5iAeT5B7xGsR+m2ZWtLVK37jMMWtcAA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKv+Gu9RGo9rtGsmwMLZ_=-WSQ_h7har4agXP-2XOKupq-KYtA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 3:56 PM, Ard Biesheuvel
<ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org> wrote:
> I realize you've put a lot of good and hard work into the existing
> I am also concerned about your claim that all software algorithms will
> be moved into this crypto library. You are not specific about whose
> responsibility it will be that this is going to happen in a timely
> fashion. But more importantly, it is not clear at all how you expect
> this to work for, e.g., h/w instruction based SHAxxx or AES in various
> chaining modes, which should be used only on cores that implement
> those instructions (note that on arm64, we have optional instructions
> for AES, PMULL, SHA1, SHA256, SHA512, SHA3, SM3 and SM4). Are all
> those implementations (only few of which will be used on a certain
> core) going to be part of the monolithic library? What are the APIs
> going to look like for block ciphers, taking chaining modes into
> account?

I'm not convinced that there's any real need for *all* crypto
algorithms to move into lib/zinc or to move at all.  As I see it,
there are two classes of crypto algorithms in the kernel:

a) Crypto that is used by code that chooses its algorithm statically
and wants synchronous operations.  These include everything in
drivers/char/random.c, but also a bunch of various networking things
that are hardcoded and basically everything that uses stack buffers.
(This means it includes all the code that I broke when I did
VMAP_STACK.  Sign.)

b) Crypto that is used dynamically.  This includes dm-crypt
(aes-xts-plain64, aes-cbc-essiv, etc), all the ALG_IF interfaces, a
lot of IPSEC stuff, possibly KCM, and probably many more.  These will
get comparatively little benefit from being converted to a zinc-like
interface.  For some of these cases, it wouldn't make any sense at all
to convert them.  Certainly the ones that do async hardware crypto
using DMA engines will never look at all like zinc, even under the
hood.

I think that, as a short-term goal, it makes a lot of sense to have
implementations of the crypto that *new* kernel code (like Wireguard)
wants to use in style (a) that live in /lib, and it obviously makes
sense to consolidate their implementations with the crypto/
implementations in a timely manner.  As a medium-term goal, adding
more algorithms as needed for things that could use the simpler APIs
(Bluetooth, perhaps) would make sense.

But I see no reason at all that /lib should ever contain a grab-bag of
crypto implementations just for the heck of it.  They should have real
in-kernel users IMO.  And this means that there will probably always
be some crypto implementations in crypto/ for things like aes-xts.

--Andy

  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-12 23:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-11  1:08 [PATCH net-next v3 00/17] WireGuard: Secure Network Tunnel Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 01/17] asm: simd context helper API Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-12  6:14   ` Kevin Easton
2018-09-12 18:10     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-13  5:03       ` Kevin Easton
2018-09-13 13:52         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-13 13:53           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-15 19:58           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-15 20:01             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17 13:14         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 02/17] zinc: introduce minimal cryptography library Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 10:08   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-11 14:56     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2018-09-11 21:47       ` Eric Biggers
2018-09-11 22:02         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 23:30           ` Andrew Lunn
2018-09-11 23:57             ` David Miller
2018-09-12  0:02               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17  4:09               ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-17  4:45                 ` David Miller
2018-09-17 14:55                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-17 14:59                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17  5:07                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17 14:53                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-17 14:59                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17 16:24                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-18 16:06                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-18 16:45                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17  5:26                 ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-17 14:51                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-17 15:28                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17 16:06                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-17 16:17                         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17 15:31                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17 16:07                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-17 16:16                         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17 16:18                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-18  0:56                             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-17 15:52                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-18  4:21                     ` Herbert Xu
2018-09-18  4:26                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-18 18:53                     ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-18 20:36                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-19 16:55                         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-11 22:16         ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-11 22:18           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 23:01             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-12  0:01               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-12  4:29                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 21:22     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-12 22:56       ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-12 23:45         ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2018-09-13  5:41           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-13 14:32             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-13 15:42               ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-13 15:58                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-14  6:15                   ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-14  9:53                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-13  6:39           ` Milan Broz
2018-09-13 14:34             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-13 15:26             ` Andy Lutomirski
2018-09-13 14:18           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-13 15:07             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-13 14:15         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-13 15:04           ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-13 15:45             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 22:08     ` Eric Biggers
2018-09-12 18:16       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-12 18:19         ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-12 18:34           ` Eric Biggers
2018-09-14  6:21             ` Ard Biesheuvel
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 03/17] zinc: ChaCha20 generic C implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 04/17] zinc: ChaCha20 ARM and ARM64 implementations Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 05/17] zinc: ChaCha20 x86_64 implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  8:22   ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-11  9:00     ` Samuel Neves
2018-09-11  9:09       ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-11 21:12         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 21:27           ` Thomas Gleixner
2018-09-11 21:28             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 21:48           ` Eric Biggers
2018-09-11 22:04             ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 06/17] zinc: ChaCha20 MIPS32r2 implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 07/17] zinc: Poly1305 generic C implementation and selftest Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:17   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 07/17] zinc: Poly1305 generic C implementations " Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 08/17] zinc: Poly1305 ARM and ARM64 implementations Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 09/17] zinc: Poly1305 x86_64 implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 10/17] zinc: Poly1305 MIPS32r2 and MIPS64 implementations Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 11/17] zinc: ChaCha20Poly1305 construction and selftest Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 12/17] zinc: BLAKE2s generic C implementation " Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 13/17] zinc: BLAKE2s x86_64 implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 14/17] zinc: Curve25519 generic C implementations and selftest Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 15/17] zinc: Curve25519 ARM implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 16/17] zinc: Curve25519 x86_64 implementation Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11  1:08 ` [PATCH net-next v3 17/17] net: WireGuard secure network tunnel Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 12:59   ` kbuild test robot
2018-09-11 20:53     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 13:17   ` kbuild test robot
2018-09-11 21:05     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 13:30   ` Andrew Lunn
2018-09-11 21:08     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2018-09-11 21:55       ` Andrew Lunn

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