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From: George Anzinger <george@mvista.com>
To: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: tglx@linutronix.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, johnstul@us.ibm.com, mingo@elte.hu
Subject: Re: [patch 00/21] hrtimer - High-resolution timer subsystem
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 18:29:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <43A0D505.3080507@mvista.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0512150141050.1609@scrub.home>

Roman Zippel wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005, George Anzinger wrote:
> 
> 
>>My $0.02 worth: It is clear (from the standard) that the initial time is to be
>>ABS_TIME.
> 
> 
> Yes.
> 
> 
>> It is also clear that the interval is to be added to that time.
> 
> 
> Not necessarily. It says it_interval is a "reload value", it's used to 
> reload the timer to count down to the next expiration.
> It's up to the implementation, whether it really counts down this time or 
> whether it converts it first into an absolute value.
> 
> 
>>IMHO then, the result should have the same property, i.e. ABS_TIME.  Sort of
>>like adding an offset to a relative address. The result is still relative.
> 
> 
> If the result is relative, why should have a clock set any effect?
> IMO the spec makes it quite clear that initial timer and the periodic 
> timer are two different types of the timer. The initial timer only 
> specifies how the periodic timer is started and the periodic timer itself 
> is a "relative time service".
> 
Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree.  That which the 
interval is added to is an absolute time, so I, and others, take the 
result as absolute.  At this point there really is no "conversion" to 
an absolute timer.  Once the timer initial time is absolute, 
everything derived from it, i.e. all intervals added to it, must be 
absolute.

For what its worth, I do think that the standards folks could have 
done a bit better here.  I, for example, would have liked to have seen 
a discussion about what to do with overrun in the face of clock setting.


-- 
George Anzinger   george@mvista.com
HRT (High-res-timers):  http://sourceforge.net/projects/high-res-timers/

  reply	other threads:[~2005-12-15  2:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-12-06  0:01 [patch 00/21] hrtimer - High-resolution timer subsystem tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 01/21] Move div_long_long_rem out of jiffies.h tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 02/21] Remove duplicate div_long_long_rem implementation tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 03/21] Deinline mktime and set_normalized_timespec tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 04/21] Clean up mktime and make arguments const tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 05/21] Export deinlined mktime tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 06/21] Remove unused clock constants tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 07/21] Coding style clean up of " tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 08/21] Coding style and white space cleanup tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 09/21] Make clockid_t arguments const tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 10/21] Coding style and white space cleanup tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 11/21] Create and use timespec_valid macro tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 12/21] Validate timespec of do_sys_settimeofday tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 13/21] Introduce nsec_t type and conversion functions tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 14/21] Introduce ktime_t time format tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 15/21] hrtimer core code tglx
2005-12-15  3:43   ` Matt Helsley
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 16/21] hrtimer documentation tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 17/21] Switch itimers to hrtimer tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 18/21] Create hrtimer nanosleep API tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 19/21] Switch sys_nanosleep to hrtimer tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 20/21] Switch clock_nanosleep to hrtimer nanosleep API tglx
2005-12-06  0:01 ` [patch 21/21] Convert posix timers completely tglx
2005-12-06 17:32 ` [patch 00/21] hrtimer - High-resolution timer subsystem Roman Zippel
2005-12-06 19:07   ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-07  3:05     ` Roman Zippel
2005-12-08  5:18       ` Paul Jackson
2005-12-08  8:12         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-08  9:26       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-08 13:08         ` Roman Zippel
2005-12-08 15:36           ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-06 22:10   ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-12-07  3:11     ` Roman Zippel
2005-12-06 22:28   ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-12-07  9:31     ` Andrew Morton
2005-12-07 10:11       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-07 10:20         ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-07 10:23         ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-07 10:49           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-07 11:09             ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-07 11:33               ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-07 11:40                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-07 13:06                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-12-07 12:40               ` Roman Zippel
2005-12-07 23:12                 ` Nick Piggin
2005-12-07 12:18     ` Roman Zippel
2005-12-07 16:55       ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-07 17:17         ` Roman Zippel
2005-12-07 17:57           ` Ingo Molnar
2005-12-07 18:18             ` Roman Zippel
2005-12-07 18:02           ` Paul Baxter
2005-12-09 17:23       ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-12-12 13:39         ` Roman Zippel
2005-12-12 16:42           ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-12-12 18:37             ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-12-13  1:25             ` George Anzinger
2005-12-13  9:18               ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-12-15  1:35               ` Roman Zippel
2005-12-15  2:29                 ` George Anzinger [this message]
2005-12-19 14:56                   ` Roman Zippel
2005-12-19 20:54                     ` George Anzinger
2005-12-21 23:03                       ` Roman Zippel
2005-12-22  4:30                         ` George Anzinger
2005-12-14 20:48             ` Roman Zippel
2005-12-14 22:30               ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-12-15  0:55                 ` George Anzinger
2005-12-15 14:18                 ` Steven Rostedt
2005-12-19 14:50                 ` Roman Zippel
2005-12-19 22:05                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2005-12-13 12:45 Nicolas Mailhot
2005-12-13 23:38 ` George Anzinger
2005-12-14  8:58   ` Kyle Moffett
2005-12-14 10:03   ` Nicolas Mailhot
2005-12-15  1:11     ` George Anzinger

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