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From: Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de>
To: Rob Herring <robherring2@gmail.com>
Cc: Grant Likely <grant.likely@linaro.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jon Loeliger <jdl@jdl.com>, Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 03:46:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53741C60.70209@ahsoftware.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5373C2F4.50803@ahsoftware.de>

Am 14.05.2014 21:24, schrieb Alexander Holler:
> Am 14.05.2014 21:06, schrieb Rob Herring:

>> I still have not seen an example of A depends on B, deferred probe
>> fails because of ? and here is the code for A that works around the
>> problem.
>>
>>> Anyway, this feature is totally independ of the deferred probe stuff and
>>> both can friendly live together.
>>
>> Yes, except then we get to maintain both.

And just in case someone still hasn't realized what the goal of a
deterministic initialization order is, have a look at this snippet from
arch/arm/mach-omap2/gpio.c:

--------
/*
 * gpio_init needs to be done before
 * machine_init functions access gpio APIs.
 * Hence gpio_init is a omap_postcore_initcall.
 */
static int __init omap2_gpio_init(void)
{
	/* If dtb is there, the devices will be created dynamically */
	if (of_have_populated_dt())
		return -ENODEV;

	return omap_hwmod_for_each_by_class("gpio", omap2_gpio_dev_init, NULL);
}
omap_postcore_initcall(omap2_gpio_init);
--------
(Sorry to the OMAP guys, it isn't there fault that it has to look like
this.)

But this is ecactly what should be avoided and why the kernel is in need
of a deterministic, easy to setup, initialization order. And deferred
probes are in now way a help to reach that target, in fact they even
support such stuff. Does anybody outside the OMAP crew do understand
what that piece of code does? The answer is pretty likely no. Again
sorry to the OMAP guys, I'm pretty sure that code was born out of
necessity because no other mechanism is available to get things in order.

Regards,

Alexander Holler


  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-15  1:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-12 16:47 [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT) Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 1/9] dt: deps: dtc: Automatically add new property 'dependencies' which contains a list of referenced phandles Alexander Holler
2014-05-17 12:16   ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-19 12:35     ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]       ` <CAJgR-BhRtc1XGqk-TVOrf2y_pYS+nratkPrf+OenP4SFcyK3ng@mail.gmail.com>
2014-05-19 17:26         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-27 20:02       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-27 20:31         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] dt: deps: dependency based device creation Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:05   ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:49     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:20       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 20:06       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 21:10         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-16 11:00           ` Grant Likely
2014-05-18  9:53             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-16 17:31           ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-14 15:51     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-17 14:24     ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-18 14:59       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-19  8:41         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 3/9] dt: deps: dtc: Add option to print initialization order Alexander Holler
     [not found]   ` <CAJgR-BhnFngGr9qxa7NvF7GExiCAr1=HS16AtN20uj7nCmLcKQ@mail.gmail.com>
2014-05-12 22:58     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9] dt: deps: dtc: Add option to print dependency graph as dot (Graphviz) Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 5/9] dt: deps: register drivers based on the initialization order based on DT Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:13   ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:58     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:32       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 6/9] dt: deps: WIP: well done drivers Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9] dt: deps: kirkwood: make it possible to use CONFIG_OF_DEPENDENCIES Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9] dt: deps: dts: kirkwood: dockstar: add dependency ehci -> usb power regulator Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:48 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9] dt: deps: omap2: make it possible to use CONFIG_OF_DEPENDENCIES Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 15:40 ` [PATCH 10/9] dt: deps: fix bug not registering late drivers when OF_DEPENDENCIES is disabled Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 19:27 ` [RFC PATCH 11/9] dt: deps: dtc: introduce new (virtual) property no-dependencies Alexander Holler
2014-05-14  8:20 ` dt: deps: some tips about how to debug/evaluate this feature Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:19 ` [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT) Grant Likely
2014-05-14 15:02   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 16:05     ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 16:23       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:30         ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 17:45           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:53             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 18:16               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:13                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:06             ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 19:24               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-15  1:46                 ` Alexander Holler [this message]
2014-05-14 23:00               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-21 14:02   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-21 19:19     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-22 13:19       ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-22 15:45         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-25  9:39         ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 13:08           ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 13:37             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 14:13               ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 14:41                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  8:42               ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  8:49                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  9:42                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:11                     ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-26 10:24                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-27 10:34                       ` Grant Likely
2014-08-27 14:44                         ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 16:22                           ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:30                             ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 16:37                               ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:58                                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 17:52                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 18:14                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  6:50                                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  9:23                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-29  1:43                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:25                     ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 10:44                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:01                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:08                         ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 11:23                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:47                             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 12:00                               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 13:58                                 ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-26 14:17                                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-27  7:16                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27  9:26                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  7:56             ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  8:51             ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  9:56               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:18               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  9:54           ` Mark Rutland

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