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From: Grant Likely <grant.likely@linaro.org>
To: Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jon Loeliger <jdl@jdl.com>, Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 5/9] dt: deps: register drivers based on the initialization order based on DT
Date: Wed, 14 May 2014 20:32:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CACxGe6tThM_0+Kvo62_AEN5D_5E0GDpwowMZC4Nq=oqAZ57RxA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53738496.2070800@ahsoftware.de>

On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 3:58 PM, Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de> wrote:
> Am 14.05.2014 16:13, schrieb Grant Likely:
>
>> On Mon, 12 May 2014 18:47:56 +0200, Alexander Holler
>> <holler@ahsoftware.de> wrote:
>>>
>>> The init system currently calls unknown functions with almost unknown
>>> functionality in an almost random order.
>>
>>
>> Correct, we've got a module system. Some would say that is a strength!
>> :-) That said, I don't object to optimizing to the optimal order when
>> possible.
>
>
> Modules do work after init happened, that isn't what this feature is about.

Oops, I meant modular. I wasn't talking about modules either. The
driver model is designed to match devices with drivers regardless of
the order that either of them get registered to the system. I think
that is a strong aspect of the drivercore. What it doesn't have is any
way of optimizing the probe order, which is at the heart of your
proposal.

>
>
>>
>>> Fixing this is on a short-term basis is a bit tricky.
>>>
>>> In order to register drivers with a deterministic order, a list of all
>>> available in-kernel drivers is needed. Unfortunately such a list doesn't
>>> exist, just a list of initcalls does exist.
>>>
>>> The trick now is to first call special annotated initcalls (I call those
>>> "well done") for platform drivers, but not actualy starting those drivers
>>> by calling their probe function, but just collectiong their meta datas
>>> (struct platform_driver). After all those informations were collected,
>>> available the drivers will be started according to the previously
>>> determined order.
>>
>>
>> Why does the initcall level matter? Why not just let the initcalls
>> happen, capture the calls that register a driver, and then use that list
>> later?
>
>
> Some initcalls assume that stuff is present when they called probe or
> register and do further action based on the rc code.

What I mean is that manipulating the initcall level isn't the best way
to handle it. We've got enough initcalls and there isn't a need to add
more. Other ways to handle the problem would be to either have a
variant of the platform_driver_register() that triggers your desired
behavour, or add a flag to the struct device_driver that tells the
driver core that it should try to resolve ordering. In both cases the
module_platform_driver() macro can do the magic bit. Other drivers
will have to do it manually.

g.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-05-14 19:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-12 16:47 [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT) Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 1/9] dt: deps: dtc: Automatically add new property 'dependencies' which contains a list of referenced phandles Alexander Holler
2014-05-17 12:16   ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-19 12:35     ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]       ` <CAJgR-BhRtc1XGqk-TVOrf2y_pYS+nratkPrf+OenP4SFcyK3ng@mail.gmail.com>
2014-05-19 17:26         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-27 20:02       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-27 20:31         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] dt: deps: dependency based device creation Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:05   ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:49     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:20       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 20:06       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 21:10         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-16 11:00           ` Grant Likely
2014-05-18  9:53             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-16 17:31           ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-14 15:51     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-17 14:24     ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-18 14:59       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-19  8:41         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 3/9] dt: deps: dtc: Add option to print initialization order Alexander Holler
     [not found]   ` <CAJgR-BhnFngGr9qxa7NvF7GExiCAr1=HS16AtN20uj7nCmLcKQ@mail.gmail.com>
2014-05-12 22:58     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9] dt: deps: dtc: Add option to print dependency graph as dot (Graphviz) Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 5/9] dt: deps: register drivers based on the initialization order based on DT Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:13   ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:58     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:32       ` Grant Likely [this message]
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 6/9] dt: deps: WIP: well done drivers Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9] dt: deps: kirkwood: make it possible to use CONFIG_OF_DEPENDENCIES Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9] dt: deps: dts: kirkwood: dockstar: add dependency ehci -> usb power regulator Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:48 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9] dt: deps: omap2: make it possible to use CONFIG_OF_DEPENDENCIES Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 15:40 ` [PATCH 10/9] dt: deps: fix bug not registering late drivers when OF_DEPENDENCIES is disabled Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 19:27 ` [RFC PATCH 11/9] dt: deps: dtc: introduce new (virtual) property no-dependencies Alexander Holler
2014-05-14  8:20 ` dt: deps: some tips about how to debug/evaluate this feature Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:19 ` [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT) Grant Likely
2014-05-14 15:02   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 16:05     ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 16:23       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:30         ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 17:45           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:53             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 18:16               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:13                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:06             ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 19:24               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-15  1:46                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 23:00               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-21 14:02   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-21 19:19     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-22 13:19       ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-22 15:45         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-25  9:39         ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 13:08           ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 13:37             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 14:13               ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 14:41                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  8:42               ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  8:49                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  9:42                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:11                     ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-26 10:24                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-27 10:34                       ` Grant Likely
2014-08-27 14:44                         ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 16:22                           ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:30                             ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 16:37                               ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:58                                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 17:52                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 18:14                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  6:50                                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  9:23                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-29  1:43                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:25                     ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 10:44                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:01                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:08                         ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 11:23                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:47                             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 12:00                               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 13:58                                 ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-26 14:17                                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-27  7:16                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27  9:26                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  7:56             ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  8:51             ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  9:56               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:18               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  9:54           ` Mark Rutland

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