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From: Alexander Holler <holler@ahsoftware.de>
To: Grant Likely <grant.likely@linaro.org>,
	Jon Loeliger <jdl@jdl.com>,
	Thierry Reding <thierry.reding@gmail.com>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"devicetree@vger.kernel.org" <devicetree@vger.kernel.org>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org" 
	<linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 12:18:35 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <53FC5EFB.6020109@ahsoftware.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140826085128.958A9C40989@trevor.secretlab.ca>

Am 26.08.2014 10:51, schrieb Grant Likely:

> Getting the dependency tree I think is only half the problem. The other
> have is how to get the driver model to actually order probing using that
> list. That problem is hard because the order drivers are probed is
> currently determined by the interaction of driver link order, driver
> initcall level, and device registration order. The first devices are
 > registered at an early initcall, before their drivers, and therefore
 > bind order is primarily determined by initcall level and driver link
 > order. However, later devices (ie. i2c clients) are registered by the
 > bus driver (ie. again, i2c) and probe order may be primarily link order
 > (if the driver is not yet registered) or registration order (if the
 > driver was registered before the parent bus).

Using my patches, the problem which still exists is how to handle 
devices (not drivers). I've build the patches based on the assumption 
that device-handling happens automatically. Unfortunately that isn't 
really true and device-handling looks awkward. Some drivers build them 
themself, some require that a device already exists and some require 
that a device doesn't already exist.

But I haven't looked in deep at that. I'm sure that can be fixed by 
fixing drivers which do things differently than they should (maybe 
because they needed to do such for dirty workarounds because no order 
was guaranteed, which wouldn't be true anymore).

Anyway, I've not looked further into that problem (with devices, not 
drivers) as it already seems quiet impossible to get the other necessary 
stuff into the kernel in a reasonable time (before 32bit-HW which does 
use DT will not be available anymore).

Regards,

Alexander Holler

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-08-26 10:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 88+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-12 16:47 [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT) Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 1/9] dt: deps: dtc: Automatically add new property 'dependencies' which contains a list of referenced phandles Alexander Holler
2014-05-17 12:16   ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-19 12:35     ` Alexander Holler
     [not found]       ` <CAJgR-BhRtc1XGqk-TVOrf2y_pYS+nratkPrf+OenP4SFcyK3ng@mail.gmail.com>
2014-05-19 17:26         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-27 20:02       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-27 20:31         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] dt: deps: dependency based device creation Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:05   ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:49     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:20       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 20:06       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 21:10         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-16 11:00           ` Grant Likely
2014-05-18  9:53             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-16 17:31           ` Alexander Shiyan
2014-05-14 15:51     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-17 14:24     ` Tomasz Figa
2014-05-18 14:59       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-19  8:41         ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 3/9] dt: deps: dtc: Add option to print initialization order Alexander Holler
     [not found]   ` <CAJgR-BhnFngGr9qxa7NvF7GExiCAr1=HS16AtN20uj7nCmLcKQ@mail.gmail.com>
2014-05-12 22:58     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9] dt: deps: dtc: Add option to print dependency graph as dot (Graphviz) Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 5/9] dt: deps: register drivers based on the initialization order based on DT Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:13   ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 14:58     ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:32       ` Grant Likely
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 6/9] dt: deps: WIP: well done drivers Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9] dt: deps: kirkwood: make it possible to use CONFIG_OF_DEPENDENCIES Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:47 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9] dt: deps: dts: kirkwood: dockstar: add dependency ehci -> usb power regulator Alexander Holler
2014-05-12 16:48 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9] dt: deps: omap2: make it possible to use CONFIG_OF_DEPENDENCIES Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 15:40 ` [PATCH 10/9] dt: deps: fix bug not registering late drivers when OF_DEPENDENCIES is disabled Alexander Holler
2014-05-13 19:27 ` [RFC PATCH 11/9] dt: deps: dtc: introduce new (virtual) property no-dependencies Alexander Holler
2014-05-14  8:20 ` dt: deps: some tips about how to debug/evaluate this feature Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 14:19 ` [RFC PATCH 0/9] dt: dependencies (for deterministic driver initialization order based on the DT) Grant Likely
2014-05-14 15:02   ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 16:05     ` Grant Likely
2014-05-14 16:23       ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:30         ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 17:45           ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 17:53             ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 18:16               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:13                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 19:06             ` Rob Herring
2014-05-14 19:24               ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-15  1:46                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-05-14 23:00               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-21 14:02   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-21 19:19     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-22 13:19       ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-22 15:45         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-25  9:39         ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 13:08           ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 13:37             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-25 14:13               ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-25 14:41                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  8:42               ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  8:49                 ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26  9:42                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:11                     ` Mark Rutland
2014-08-26 10:24                       ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-27 10:34                       ` Grant Likely
2014-08-27 14:44                         ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 16:22                           ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:30                             ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 16:37                               ` Stephen Warren
2014-08-27 16:58                                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27 17:52                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-27 18:14                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  6:50                                 ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-28  9:23                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2014-08-29  1:43                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:25                     ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 10:44                       ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:01                         ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:08                         ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 11:23                           ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 11:47                             ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-26 12:00                               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 13:58                                 ` Jon Loeliger
2014-08-26 14:17                                   ` Thierry Reding
2014-08-27  7:16                                   ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-27  9:26                                     ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  7:56             ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26  8:51             ` Grant Likely
2014-08-26  9:56               ` Alexander Holler
2014-08-26 10:18               ` Alexander Holler [this message]
2014-08-26  9:54           ` Mark Rutland

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