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From: Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>
Cc: Linux kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 11:02:39 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55CAFD9F.2070001@list.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVosDi8eTYpH+Z-PA30PdyR6-zM51Rrb-eDXo3WaGqZXg@mail.gmail.com>

12.08.2015 03:38, Andy Lutomirski пишет:
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru> wrote:
>> Hi guys, I wonder how easily the include/uapi/* is being
>> changed these days.
>> The patch:
>> http://lkml.kernel.org/r/405594361340a2ec32f8e2b115c142df0e180d8e.1426193719.git.luto@kernel.org
>> breaks dosemu (and perhaps everyone else who used
>> to restore the segregs by hands). And the fix involves
>> both autoconf magic and run-time magic, so it is not even
>> trivial.
>> I realize this patch may be good to have in general, but
>> breaking userspace without a single warning is a bit
>> discouraging. Seems like the old "we don't break userspace"
>> rule have gone.
> I didn't anticipate any breakage.  I could have been wrong.
You changed include/uapi/*, which is obviously an asking
for problems. I applied the following changes to my local
git tree to get dosemu working again:
https://github.com/stsp/dosemu2/commit/48b2a13a49a9fe1a456cd77df6b9a1feec675a01
https://github.com/stsp/dosemu2/commit/7898ac60d5e569964127d6cc48f592caecd20b81

> Do you know what the actual breakage is?  I'm curious how this ever
> worked for DOSEMU, given that, before this patch, it appeared to be
> impossible to return to any nonstandard SS from a 64-bit signal
> handler.
This is not the point.
What dosemu wants is to simply save the DOS SS somewhere.
After your patch, it saves the Linux SS instead, then crashes.

>    FWIW, DOSEMU seems to work for me on recent kernels.
Do you have any protected mode DOS program to test?
I'll send you one in a private e-mail just about now.

> We might still be able to require a new sigcontext flag to be set and
> to forcibly return to __USER_DS if the flag is set regardless of the
> ss value in sigcontext when sigreturn is called, if that is indeed the
> problem with DOSEMU.  But I'm not actually sure that that's the
> problem.
Well, the flag would be an ideal solution in an ideal world,
but in our world I don't know the current relevance of dosemu,
and whether or not it worth a new flag to add.

> In fact, DOSEMU contains this:
>
>    /* set up a frame to get back to DPMI via iret. The kernel does not save
>       %ss, and the SYSCALL instruction in sigreturn() destroys it.
>
>       IRET pops off everything in 64-bit mode even if the privilege
>       does not change which is nice, but clobbers the high 48 bits
>       of rsp if the DPMI client uses a 16-bit stack which is not so
>       nice (see EMUfailure.txt). Setting %rsp to 0x100000000 so that
>       bits 16-31 are zero works around this problem, as DPMI code
>       can't see bits 32-63 anyway.
>   */
>
> So, if DOSEMU were to realize that both sigreturnissues it's
> complaining about are fixed in recent kernels, it could sigreturn
> directly back to any state.
Good, but have you added any flag for dosemu to even know
it can do this? Unless I am mistaken, you didn't. So the fix you
suggest, is not easy to detect and make portable with the older
kernels. Any suggestions?

> I don't actually see any code in DOSEMU that generates a sigcontext
It doesn't. But it manually pops the kernel-generated
sigcontext, see dpmisel.S:DPMI_direct_transfer.
This part didn't broke though, so no need to look there in fact.

> from scratch (as opposed to copying one and modifying it), so I'm not
> entirely sure what the problem is.
Now you have the changes I did to get it working, and I'll
also mail you a simple test-case. Let me know if you need
something else.
The more important question is whether we ignore dosemu
or some actions should be taken. Since you changed uapi/*,
my initial guess was that you opt for ignoring it, but maybe
this was not the point.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-12  8:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-12  0:17 [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12  0:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12  8:02   ` Stas Sergeev [this message]
2015-08-12 16:19     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 17:00       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 18:25         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 18:55           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 19:20             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 19:55               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 20:01                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 20:14                   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 20:28                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 20:45                       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 20:47                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 20:55                           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 21:37                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 21:50                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 22:00                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13  8:39                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-13 10:14                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 12:44                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 14:58                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 15:22                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 15:38                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:03                                             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 16:09                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:20                                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 16:24                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:38                                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 16:42                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:48                                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 16:59                                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 17:13                                                             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 17:17                                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 18:00                                                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 18:05                                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 18:19                                                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 18:25                                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 18:35                                                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-22 12:38                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-22 14:19                                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-23  6:25                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-13 11:08                                   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 15:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 15:43   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:19     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 16:23       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:34         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 16:43           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 16:44             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 17:00     ` Brian Gerst
2015-08-18  6:29       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-18 22:42         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-18 22:47           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-19  9:35             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-19 15:46               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-19 16:30                 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02  5:12                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02  9:17                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 14:21                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 15:02                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 17:46                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 18:17                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 18:23                             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 19:06                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 21:01                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 21:39                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 22:25                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 22:25                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 23:01                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-19 10:10           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-19 15:35             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  8:10     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-08-13 17:51   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 18:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 18:41       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 19:05         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 19:49           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 20:09             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 19:53         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 20:08           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-08-13 20:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 21:42               ` Raymond Jennings
2015-08-13 21:46                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 22:01                   ` Raymond Jennings
2015-08-13 22:05                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 23:05                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 23:18                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 23:35                         ` Raymond Jennings
2015-08-13 23:43                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:02                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 22:02                   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 22:11                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 22:25                       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 22:29                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 22:51                           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 23:00                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 23:17                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:00                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:05                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  0:17                                   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:27                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-14  0:50                                       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  1:21                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  1:32                                           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  1:37                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  2:03                                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-18  6:19                                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:08                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-14  0:24                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  0:40                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-14  7:22               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-08-14 10:02                 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2015-08-14 10:53                   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-08-13 18:57       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 19:01         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 19:13           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 19:37             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 19:59               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 20:07                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-18  6:40                   ` Stas Sergeev

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