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From: Stas Sergeev <stsp@list.ru>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	Linux kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Brian Gerst <brgerst@gmail.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Stas Sergeev <stsp@users.sourceforge.net>
Subject: Re: [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2015 17:19:42 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55D884FE.9020902@list.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150822123804.GA21039@gmail.com>

22.08.2015 15:38, Ingo Molnar пишет:
>> [...]  We could add yet more heuristics and teach sigreturn to ignore the saved
>> SS value in sigcontext if the saved CS is 64-bit and the saved SS is unusable.
> We could maybe try this - assuming it doesn't break DOSEMU.
>
> Or we could extend the ABI and allow DOSEMU to cleanly use it.
>
> I'm not sure it's worth the complexity, given that the DOSEMU workaround already
> exists and will likely exist forever, so that it can support older kernels, right?
That assumes dosemu is the only current and future
user of that functionality. That's why I raised the question
whether does Wine want to support a 32/16bit code in its
64bit builds too. So far it doesn't have such functionality,
likely waiting for the kernel to provide it, rather than going
the route of hacks and work-arounds as dosemu did.

Also, the fact that dosemu already have that functionality,
doesn't mean it will not use the new API - it actually will.
With a few run-time checks at first, but when all distros are
upgraded, there is simply no point to support the kernels
that are not in any current distro (after a few years of
deprecation perhaps).

Overall, I think the existance of a few hacks in dosemu is
not the reason for the linux kernel to stop any development
in that area. dosemu did a great work of exploring all the
pitfalls in that area, so now you know what to fix and how.
Please, keep the things going.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-08-22 14:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 121+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-12  0:17 [regression] x86/signal/64: Fix SS handling for signals delivered to 64-bit programs breaks dosemu Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12  0:38 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12  8:02   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 16:19     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 17:00       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 18:25         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 18:55           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 19:20             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 19:55               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 20:01                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 20:14                   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 20:28                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 20:45                       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 20:47                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 20:55                           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 21:37                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-12 21:50                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-12 22:00                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13  8:39                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-13 10:14                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 12:44                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 14:58                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 15:22                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 15:38                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:03                                             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 16:09                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:20                                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 16:24                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:38                                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 16:42                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:48                                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 16:59                                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 17:13                                                             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 17:17                                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 18:00                                                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 18:05                                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 18:19                                                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 18:25                                                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 18:35                                                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-22 12:38                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-22 14:19                                               ` Stas Sergeev [this message]
2015-08-23  6:25                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2015-08-13 11:08                                   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 15:37 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 15:43   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:19     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 16:23       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 16:34         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 16:43           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 16:44             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 17:00     ` Brian Gerst
2015-08-18  6:29       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-18 22:42         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-18 22:47           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-19  9:35             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-19 15:46               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-19 16:30                 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02  5:12                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02  9:17                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 14:21                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 15:02                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 17:46                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 18:17                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 18:23                             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 19:06                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 21:01                                 ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 21:39                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 22:25                                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-09-02 22:25                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-09-02 23:01                                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-19 10:10           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-19 15:35             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  8:10     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-08-13 17:51   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 18:35     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 18:41       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 19:05         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 19:49           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 20:09             ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 19:53         ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 20:08           ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-08-13 20:09             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 21:42               ` Raymond Jennings
2015-08-13 21:46                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 22:01                   ` Raymond Jennings
2015-08-13 22:05                     ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 23:05                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 23:18                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 23:35                         ` Raymond Jennings
2015-08-13 23:43                         ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:02                           ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 22:02                   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 22:11                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 22:25                       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 22:29                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 22:51                           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 23:00                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 23:17                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:00                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:05                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  0:17                                   ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:27                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-14  0:50                                       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  1:21                                         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  1:32                                           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  1:37                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  2:03                                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-18  6:19                                               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-14  0:08                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-14  0:24                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-14  0:40                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-14  7:22               ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-08-14 10:02                 ` Pavel Emelyanov
2015-08-14 10:53                   ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2015-08-13 18:57       ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 19:01         ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-08-13 19:13           ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 19:37             ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-13 19:59               ` Stas Sergeev
2015-08-13 20:07                 ` Linus Torvalds
2015-08-18  6:40                   ` Stas Sergeev

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